What articles of impeachment? The ones for Johnson or the ones from Clinton? Those are the only two that have ever been written. <br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>James Reynolds <chapandmaize@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> I read somewhere that when the articles of impeachment were written it was <br>noted that one of the most impeachable offenses a sitting President could be <br>tried for was leading the country to a war based on lies in which American <br>lives are subsequently lost. Hopefully I read this from my own library which <br>I will search this weekend. Has anyone else seen this?<br><br>Impeachment is not going to happen anyway because the congress has to <br>initiate it and this pathetic congress would rather our country be destroyed <br>than to admit the president is a criminal and proceed accordingly.<br><br>James Reynolds<br><br><br>>From: Donov!
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<donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>>To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam @hotmail.com="">, vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine,Says Bush Should Be <br>>Impeached<br>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:10:27 -0800 (PST)<br>><br>>Sunil,<br>><br>> Fair enough if you wish to see it that way. But I do not think Bush is <br>>impeachable at this point. People voted for him and he was elected fair <br>>and square. We can not just oust him because we realized that he is the <br>>worst President of the United States since Warren G. Harding. I think <br>>Democrats at this point should be grateful that Bush is in office, it is <br>>the only thing they have going for them.<br>><br>> On the note of the war, I do not have a problem with people that are <br>>for it or not for it. I have a problem with the people that were for it, <br>>then when we went in, they switched sides. That is just wron!
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WMD had <br>>nothing to do with decision to go in. It was just another Presidential lie <br>>exposed and exploited.<br>><br>><br>> Democrats need to stop being on the offensive and start being <br>>productive.<br>><br>> Impeachment and Removal are two different things. Two presidents were <br>>impeached, but not removed. Saying someone should be impeached is not the <br>>same thing as saying they should be removed. It shows ignorance of how the <br>>system works and the terms mean. It is not a play on words, it is a <br>>misunderstanding of the process and proper terms.<br>><br>> The impeachment and removal process should not be engaged based on the <br>>popularity of the President, or agreement with his decisions, or even for <br>>lying. It should be used for the purposes of removing a criminal-ONLY.<br>><br>> Take Care,<br>><br>> _DJA<br>><br>>Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam @hotmail.com!
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wrote: My responses below <br>>Donovan's:<br>><br>> ><br>> >Sunil,<br>> ><br>> > The impeachment takes place in the House of Representatives. The <br>>Senate<br>> >does not vote on impeachment, EVER. It votes to remove or not remove the<br>> >President based only on the charges set forth by the House of<br>> >Representatives.<br>><br>>Donovan, you've just restated what I said. The House impeaches, but that's<br>>where the charge is brought. The charge is tried by the Senate. They<br>>decide by voting. Sure, that never happens if the House doesn't vote on it<br>>themselves and send it up, but the ultimate decision will be made by the<br>>Senate, with a vote. If you want to insist that this does not amount to<br>>voting on impeachment, you're playing a strange word game.<br>><br>> > And no, the correct place to start with the process of removing a <br>>person<br>> >from poli!
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office is not with a resolution, but with consensus that <br>>a<br>> >crime has been committed.<br>><br>> >From this randomly Googled site:<br>>http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/<br>>I extract and offer you this quote:<br>><br>>"Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives <br>>are<br>>turned over to the House Judiciary Committee which decides whether the<br>>resolution and its allegations of wrongdoing by the President merits a<br>>referral to the full House for a vote on launching a formal impeachment<br>>inquiry. "<br>><br>>Fine, maybe it starts with consensus that a crime has been committed. But<br>>without a resolution, seems to me that consensus consists of a lot of <br>>people<br>>talking and nothing else happening.<br>> ><br>> > I do not agree with Bush's decision to go to war, but then again I did<br>> >not vote for the War Resolution that!
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Democrats did. It Bush is<br>> >impeachable for what happened in Iraq so is every Senator that voted to <br>>go<br>> >to war.<br>><br>>Not if they weren't cherry-picking intelligence. Are they culpable? For<br>>cowardice, sure, but the ultimate decision was Bush's. He could have <br>>waited<br>>for the inspectors to complete their work. He didn't, and later he claimed<br>>Saddam didn't let them in.<br>><br>> ><br>> > Why is it that Senators are not impeachable for giving a drunken idiot<br>> >unchecked use of the US Military?<br>><br>>I don't think what they did was impeachable. I think it was cowardly, and <br>>I<br>>am ashamed of the Democrats who voted for the war. There's Hillary,<br>>positioning herself for the next election and still pro-war. I also think<br>>the Republicans timed the vote before the election because they knew the<br>>Democrats were afraid to vote against it. And I t!
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their calculation <br>>was<br>>correct: The Democrats would have been voted out if they voted against the<br>>war.<br>><br>>Who do we blame for that? Don't we all have to look in the mirror?<br>> ><br>> > I am glad we can agree that the Democratic approach of removing<br>> >Republicans from office is not that stellar.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _DJA<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >Sunil Ramalingam wrote: Ah, using that<br>> >political science degree again, Donovan. But doesn't the<br>> >article say he's urging Rhode Island's CONGRESSMEN (emphasis added) to<br>> >co-sponsor an impeachment resolution?<br>> ><br>> >Isn't that the correct course of action if that is where the impeachment<br>> >process begins?<br>> ><br>> >And then, let me see, doesn't the actual impeachment trial take place in<br>> >the<br>> >Senate? So if this guy were to be elec!
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the Senate, wouldn't he be<br>> >able to vote on the issue, should such a thing come to pass?<br>> ><br>> >If you want to critique whether or not this is a sound strategy for the<br>> >Dems, that's another matter, and have at it. But don't you think you're <br>>a<br>> >little off-base if you criticize him for not knowing how the impeachment<br>> >process works?<br>> ><br>> >Sunil<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > >From: Donovan Arnold<br>> > >To: Tom Hansen , Moscow Vision 2020<br>> > ><br>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine,Says Bush Should Be<br>> > >Impeached<br>> > >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:16:55 -0800 (PST)<br>> > ><br>> > >WOW! Stop the presses, a Democratic senatorial candidate in a liberal<br>> > >state says Bush should be impeached. What a rarity. To bad he cannot<br>> > >explain why he is running !
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Senate when it the House that does <br>>the<br>> > >impeaching.<br>> > ><br>> > > I know I want to nominate the Democratic candidate that has no ideas<br>> >of<br>> > >his own and does not understand how the impeachment process works but<br>> >can<br>> > >hurl the most insults and radical statements they can at Bush and <br>>other<br>> > >Republicans. That way we can spend another 2 years wondering why we<br>> >cannot<br>> > >beat them even though they had only a 27% approval rating.<br>> > ><br>> > > If Democrats would learn that the way to win elections is to focus <br>>on<br>> > >the future, have a positive attitude and explain what would be <br>>different<br>> > >if they were in office and why it would be better, then we could win<br>> >some<br>> > >elections and make this country a better place. But we won't, because
<br>>it<br>> > >is easier to complain about the past and Bush bash then it is to lead<br>> >and<br>> > >present new ideas and solutions.<br>> > ><br>> > > _DJA<br>> > ><br>> > >Tom Hansen wrote: >From today's Army times<br>> > >(www.ArmyTimes.com)<br>> > ><br>> > <br>> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > >Candidate, former Marine, says Bush should be impeached<br>> > ><br>> > >By Rick Maze<br>> > >Times staff writer<br>> > ><br>> > >A former Marine running for the U.S. Senate says President Bush should <br>>be<br>> > >impeached for taking the nation to war in Iraq.<br>> > ><br>> > >Carl Sheller, running as a Democratic candidate in the Rhode Island<br>> > >primary,<br>> > >wants his fellow Democratic candidat!
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join him in urging the <br>>state's<br>> > >two<br>> > >Democratic congressmen, Patrick Kennedy and James Langevin, to <br>>co-sponsor<br>> >a<br>> > >resolution calling for Bush's impeachment. The resolution, HRes 635, is<br>> > >sponsored by Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and has 24 co-sponsors.<br>> > ><br>> > >It calls for creation of a committee to investigate possible <br>>impeachment<br>> > >charges against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for misleading<br>> > >Congress and the American public about reasons for beginning military<br>> > >operations against Iraq.<br>> > ><br>> > >Sheller, a former Marine captain, said in a statement that he faults <br>>the<br>> > >Bush administration for many things, among them being wrong on defense<br>> >and<br>> > >national security issues.<br>> > ><br>> > >"Bush li!
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being strong on defense," Sheller said. "His military<br>> > >spending shortchanges combat troops and veterans while enriching <br>>cronies<br>> > >and<br>> > >contractors."<br>> > ><br>> > >Sheller's campaign has paid for billboards along Interstate 95 in Rhode<br>> > >Island calling for Bush's impeachment.<br>> > ><br>> > >Sheller was a Marine combat and staff officer in the early 1990s, <br>>mostly<br>> >in<br>> > >the reserves, were he was an armor officer. He was mobilized in support<br>> >of<br>> > >Operation Desert Storm, although he did not see combat. He was a family<br>> > >liaison officer.<br>> > ><br>> > >In a letter to Rhode Island veterans last summer seeking their support<br>> >for<br>> > >his campaign, Sheller summed up his service in one sentence: "Often, I<br>> > >served well and sometimes I fell on !
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sword."<br>> > ><br>> > >Sheller said he joined the Marine Corps after missing out on a <br>>nomination<br>> > >to<br>> > >the U.S. Air Force Academy because of a broken wrist.<br>> > ><br>> > <br>> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > >The state motto of Rhode Island is "Hope". I believe we can add a<br>> > >heart-felt "Semper Fi" to it as well.<br>> > ><br>> > >Pro patria,<br>> > ><br>> > >Tom "Proud to be a Veteran" Hansen<br>> > >Moscow, Idaho<br>> > ><br>> > >"I love my country but fear my government."<br>> > ><br>> > >- Author Unknown<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > >_____________________________________________________<br>> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > > !
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