[Vision2020] Re: New hunting protocols

Wed Feb 15 17:51:26 PST 2006

Art,

Wow ya got me. I am a dictator,who thinks your opinion means niltch. I can't 
believe that I ever decided to disagree with you, for you are the allmighty 
opinion on V2020.

Lets get some things straight Wayne. I think what our VP did was an 
accident. He should have known and practiced the rules of gun ownership, 
such as any gun owner. He should be held liable for not having the bird 
stamp, just as any citizen. The white house should have reported this 
earlier. I think it does show something about his character, and also feel 
he could have handled this differently. Other then that I believe this to be 
a smear campaign.

In my opinion the news could also talk about the terrorist of the twin tower 
bombings(being on trail 5 years later, when our troops get tried the next 
day) acting out of hand. Or Al Gore, being payed by the Bin Ladens to come 
to Saudi Arabia in order to say the US is tortureing combatants without any 
proof. Maybe the fact that Iran is closer and closer to nuclear 
capabilities. Instead, for the last 5 days its about out VP accidentally 
shooting his buddy.

I don't know what happened and neither do you, for I was not there. I don't 
intend on buying everything the channel 4 and 6 news says. I would hope that 
a man of your intilect would do the same.

Matt

>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: New hunting protocols
>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:55 -0800
>
>Janesta, et al,
>
>Pat never ceases to amaze me.  In discussing the seriousness of 
>injuring/killing another person in a hunting incident she includes the 
>following statement:
>
>"My father in law shot his brand new truck with birdshot one year."
>
>Holy Wotan, Thor, and Odin!
>
>
>For those that have studied political theory/philosophy there is the 
>age-old debate over the question:
>
>"Which is better?  A democracy (within a constitutional republic or not) or 
>a benevolent dictatorship?"
>
>Let there be no doubt -- for me, democracy wins by a long shot.
>
>However, I am afraid that the responses in this thread wrought Pat Kraut 
>and Matt Decker provide a great deal of potent ammunition for those arguing 
>for benevolent dictatorship under the "The masses are asses" theory.
>
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Janesta Carcich" 
><janestacarcich at yahoo.com>
>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>; "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:43 PM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: New hunting protocols
>
>
>>Pat,
>>
>>I have a friend... her father and brother were bird
>>hunting one fall day in Pullman.... The father killed
>>his son... a few years later, he killed himself.
>>
>>It is a BIG deal, believe me...
>>
>>Janesta
>>--- Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You have misread my message but I am not sure how
>>>'simply' it was I would be
>>>willing to bet you did it purposely. At 78 there are
>>>other health issues
>>>that might encourage not healing well from any
>>>accident. Yes, 78 is a nice
>>>life and different than 28 and dying from an
>>>accident but that was far from
>>>my point it will be sad for anyone and everyone
>>>involved. My sympathies go
>>>to Cheney...he shot his friend and I have known many
>>>who have had these type
>>>of accidents and how it affects their lives. My
>>>father in law shot his brand
>>>new truck with birdshot one year...it happens. I
>>>have trouble believing that
>>>some of you don't know some one who has had
>>>accidents like this. I got my
>>>first 30 30 because my fathers friend had to give up
>>>hunting because of
>>>being shot in the woods. It is live changing but not
>>>as big a deal as the
>>>press or dems are trying to make it out to be. Mrs
>>>Clinton should recall the
>>>secrets of her husbands administration before she
>>>screams at Bush. They are
>>>working very hard to make this a 'newsworthy' event
>>>and if you read the
>>>blogs on the news stations people are not buying it.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Basoa" <sbasoa at moscow.com>
>>>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:46 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New hunting protocols
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 15, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Pat Kraut wrote:
>>>
>>>  >Depends on which biased story you read. Katharine
>>>said that they
>>>were both
>>>  >wrong...Cheney should have looked and Whittington
>>>should have let
>>>him know
>>>  >where he was because he was approaching closer to
>>>the party. An
>>>accident. IT
>>>  >WILL BE AWFUL IF HE DIES BUT HE IS 78.
>>>
>>>
>>>Pat:  Are you implying that if he dies it won't be
>>>so bad because he
>>>is 78?  Are you implying that older people don't
>>>have meaningful
>>>lives?  Or that somehow their lives don't matter as
>>>much?  Would this
>>>matter be more egregious if the person was only 28?
>>>Or have I simply
>>>misread your statement?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  >I really do think the real story is
>>>  >the white house press corp who have showed a
>>>complete ignorance of
>>>everyday
>>>  >events in the US one more time. I cannot
>>>understand how these
>>>people keep
>>>  >their jobs. The video of their attack of McClellan
>>>is tragic to see.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>Janesta Carcich
>>
>>"Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it 
>>injures the hated."
>>
>>~ Coretta Scott King ~
>>1927-2006
>>
>>
>>***Because I am finding my words on the blogs of organizations I do not 
>>support***
>>
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