[Vision2020] Re: [Spam] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 21, Issue 83

[Phil Nisbet]

Roger H.

If you return to that specific thread you will find that I very specifically 
state that you are not an anti-Semite.  I stated that the argument of the 
war in Iraq being one based on the old model of War as a Resource battle 
leads directly to the same arguments that America First used in the Second 
World War.  It’s an historical reference, what actually happened in real 
life and history right here in the USA.

The Peace and Isolationist Movements of the America First Movement first 
insisted that we had no role internationally, should spend our money at 
home, that WW II was a war for resources and that if we got involved we 
would just be stirring up things further.  All of those arguments lead 
specifically to the final Lend Lease and Draft battles in which Charles 
Lindberg specifically added No War for Jews.

What I stated in the post to your comment was that I was waiting for the 
other show to drop.  Lindberg like statements are already being made by 
Cindy Sheehan and others involved in the Peace movement.  I believe that the 
next round of argument there will be that the war is about oil and those 
nasty old Israelis and was sparked by those nasty old Neo Conservative Jews 
in the US.  I did not say that those were 'your' arguments, just that it is 
starting to be the argument of the broader Peace Movement and it is the 
progression historically taken by the same sort of Peace Movement, The 
America First Movement, in WW II.  I have already seen references to Project 
for the New American Century as a blue print for war that list mostly or 
only the Jewish members of that organization posted by Peace Movement 
organizers, though Jewish members of that organization are less than 10% of 
its members.

I apologize if it appeared that I was calling you an anti-Semite.  It was 
not my intention.

But there is a growing drift to anti-Semitism in the Peace Movement and 
quite a few anti-Semitic organizations involved in the Peace Movement at 
this time.  I see history repeating itself, just as it did in WW II.  When I 
can side by side Peace editorials from 1941 with 2005 and interchange FDR 
with Bush and they read the same it’s even harder to not see the parallel.

You are not guilty of falling into that historical rut, but how many others 
are?

Phil Nisbet




>From: roger hayes <rhayes at turbonet.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: [Spam] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 21, Issue 83
>Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:56:26 -0800
>
>>Dear Phil Nisbet:
>
>Speaking of slandering folks, last week I posted a sincere and heartfelt 
>plea asking people to look at their driving habits in hopes that they might 
>see that our wanton consumption of oil may result in great grief for our 
>country. I made a logical connection between the current wars in the Gulf 
>and our ceaseless demand for oil.
>Your response was to label me as an anti-semite. This indeed is a serious 
>accusation and one, if you knew me and my genealogy, you would quickly 
>retract.
>Now, I have spent a week mulling over that accusation and have come to a 
>conclusion. Rather than being angry at this mean and meaningless attack, I 
>find you lacking in moral depth and intellectual integrity. I am sorry to 
>label you as such, as I do not wish to sink to depths of depravity you so 
>aptly frame, but I must at this time ask you to take a look at how you 
>argue. Stunning people by attacking their personal constitution is no way 
>to debate serious issues. I know you know that. Please return to a civil 
>discussion if you wish to continue any democratic debate.
>
>Roger Hayes
>Moscow
>>
>>>What about people who slander folks on V2020?  Should they be turned
>>>in to the county prosecurtor office or simply taken to court so that
>>>people so slandered can extract a few bucks from their worthless hides?
>>>
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet


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