[Vision2020] Where Have Our Giants Gone (Molly Ivins)
Phil Nisbet
pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 10 14:20:15 PST 2006
Consider it done.
>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Where Have Our Giants Gone (Molly Ivins)
>Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:15 -0800
>
>As I said before Phil, if you think you have a case sue, so that I can
>countersue. But you can also just wait to see if Naylor Farms files for
>another water permit. If they do, I'll be an official protestor than and I
>will introduce some very interesting material, including admissions you
>made here on V 2020.
>
>W.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <deco at moscow.com>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Where Have Our Giants Gone (Molly Ivins)
>
>
>>What about people who slander folks on V2020 Wayne? Should they be turned
>>in to the county prosecurtor office or simply taken to court so that
>>people so slandered can extract a few bucks from their worthless hides?
>>
>>And before you post that crap again Wayne, think. You were out to lunch
>>then and are just as out to lunch now.
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Where Have Our Giants Gone (Molly Ivins)
>>>Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:30:40 -0800
>>>
>>>Applying the same logic as your post:
>>>
>>>Should V 2020 posters who lie be thrown off the list?
>>>
>>>What about so-called scientific experts who lie? Should they be banned
>>>forever from giving public testimony?
>>>
>>>W.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:49 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Where Have Our Giants Gone (Molly Ivins)
>>>
>>>
>>>>Pat
>>>>
>>>>Actually Molly has a point here. In the old days, when giants walked
>>>>the earth, a reporter who was busted for plagerism and for making up
>>>>facts as she went along would have been thrown on the street and had a
>>>>hard time finding work in the News business. Now days, they move people
>>>>like Molly into the post as senior editorial writer and syndicate her
>>>>rather than firing them for journalistic misconduct. And rather than
>>>>accepting that her history of lying to the public just might be a
>>>>symptom of her extreme bias, she ends up being the main fact source for
>>>>some folks who willing say, hey she said she was sorry the last time
>>>>they caught her lying.
>>>>
>>>>Funny old world, ain't it just.
>>>>
>>>>Phil NIsbet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Where Have Our Giants Gone (Molly Ivins)
>>>>>Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:14:59 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>>"Risen is the New York Times reporter who
>>>>>broke the story of the National Security Agency spying scandal."
>>>>>He should be arrested for treason!
>>>>>Tom you look at this stuff and see one thing and I look at it and see
>>>>>another. I bet the terrorists are laughing at us and our inability to
>>>>>keep a
>>>>>secret.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:47 AM
>>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Where Have Our Giants Gone (Molly Ivins)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >From today's (February 10, 2006) Spokesman Review -
>>>>>
>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Molly Ivins
>>>>>
>>>>>Where have our giants gone?
>>>>>
>>>>>February 10, 2006
>>>>>
>>>>>Once upon a time, in the middle of a nasty constitutional crisis in
>>>>>Washington, a most unlikely hero emerged - a Texas lawyer from one of
>>>>>our
>>>>>state's notoriously discriminated-against racial minorities. Think how
>>>>>lucky
>>>>>we were.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is one of the most famous sentences in all of American rhetoric: "My
>>>>>faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total." But
>>>>>what
>>>>>catches the eye today is the sentence that followed that famous
>>>>>declaration,
>>>>>the sentence that makes one so ashamed for Al Gonzales. Barbara
>>>>>Jordan's
>>>>>great, deep voice brought the impeachment hearings against Richard
>>>>>Nixon to
>>>>>an awed silence when she vowed, "And I am not going to sit here and be
>>>>>an
>>>>>idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of
>>>>>the
>>>>>Constitution."
>>>>>
>>>>>Thirty years ago, this state could produce Barbara Jordan - and now we
>>>>>send
>>>>>that pathetic pipsqueak Al Gonzales. Enough to provoke a wailing cry of
>>>>>"O
>>>>>tempera, O mores!" even from the depths of Lubbock.
>>>>>
>>>>>As a New York Times editorial succinctly put it, Attorney General
>>>>>Gonzales'
>>>>>Judiciary Committee appearance was a "daylong display of cynical
>>>>>hair-splitting, obfuscation, disinformation and stonewalling."
>>>>>
>>>>>How fortunate that Republicans running the committee did not insist the
>>>>>chief law enforcement officer of the United States take an oath before
>>>>>testifying. God forbid that he should actually be held to the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>I realize it's a cliché for those of us who remember the Beach Boys to
>>>>>mourn
>>>>>the days when giants roamed the Earth and all was on a grander and
>>>>>finer
>>>>>scale. But I knew Barbara Jordan, and I know Al Gonzales, and it is
>>>>>damned
>>>>>depressing - he's too lightweight to even be a mediocrity.
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems to me the trumpery excuse for a hearing raised graver issues
>>>>>than
>>>>>those of 30 years ago. Gonzales kept trying to frame the issue as a
>>>>>question
>>>>>of whether or not a domestic spying program without warrants is illegal
>>>>>- in
>>>>>fact, it is against the law.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gonzales maintained the law is superseded by some unwritten
>>>>>constitutional
>>>>>power due the president during war and further that Congress had
>>>>>authorized
>>>>>warrantless spying when giving the president the authority to invade
>>>>>Afghanistan. Strange, so few who voted for invading Afghanistan recall
>>>>>having warrantless spying in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>>One problem of legal logic is to "define war." We have not been
>>>>>attacked by
>>>>>another nation - in fact, we were clearly the aggressors against Iraq.
>>>>>We
>>>>>were attacked by a private group of ideological zealots led by a Saudi
>>>>>millionaire. This war - against no nation, flag or territory - can
>>>>>presumably last indefinitely, like our wars against drugs and crime.
>>>>>
>>>>>Impeachment, Barbara Jordan observed, "is designed to 'bridle' the
>>>>>executive
>>>>>if he engages in excesses. . The Framers confined in the Congress the
>>>>>power,
>>>>>if need be, to remove the president in order to strike a delicate
>>>>>balance
>>>>>between a president swollen with power and grown tyrannical, and
>>>>>preservation of the independence of the executive. . 'A president is
>>>>>impeachable if he attempts to subvert the Constitution.' "
>>>>>
>>>>>Nixon was accused, among other things, of misuse of the CIA. I highly
>>>>>recommend James Risen's new book, "State of War: The Secret History of
>>>>>the
>>>>>CIA and the Bush Administration." Risen is the New York Times reporter
>>>>>who
>>>>>broke the story of the National Security Agency spying scandal.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thomas Powers, an authority on American intelligence, reviewed the
>>>>>Risen
>>>>>book for the New York Review of Books and notes: "If the Constitution
>>>>>forbids a president anything, it forbids war on his say-so, and if it
>>>>>insists on anything, it insists that presidents are not above the law.
>>>>>In
>>>>>plain terms, this means that presidents cannot enact laws on their own,
>>>>>or
>>>>>ignore laws that have been enacted by Congress. .
>>>>>
>>>>>"In public life, as in kindergarten, the all-important word is no. We
>>>>>are
>>>>>living with the consequences of the inability to say no to the
>>>>>president's
>>>>>war of choice with Iraq, and we shall soon see how Congress and the
>>>>>courts
>>>>>will respond to the latest challenge from the White House - the claim
>>>>>by
>>>>>President Bush that he has the right to ignore FISA's prohibition of
>>>>>government intrusion on the private communications of Americans without
>>>>>a
>>>>>court order and his repeated statements that he intends to go right on
>>>>>doing
>>>>>it."
>>>>>
>>>>>The time is coming when someone will have to say no. Sadly, I have a
>>>>>vision
>>>>>of the impeachment panel, and I see Tom DeLay in the seat once occupied
>>>>>by
>>>>>the great Barbara Jordan.
>>>>>
>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Take care, Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom Hansen
>>>>>Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>********************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>"In America, anybody can become president.
>>>>>That's one of the risks you take . . ."
>>>>>
>>>>>- Adlai Stevenson
>>>>>
>>>>>********************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>
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