[Vision2020] Holocaust Toons

[mekt7 at netscape.net]

I never said that every Muslim is a jihadist. I said that the Iranian 
paper that is planning to run Holocaust Cartoons is like the little kid 
who is offended and says, "Your momma!". The leadership of the Muslim 
world is in Saudi Arabia. The Mullas and Imams have been quite clear in 
their hostility. Whenever a bad terrorist attack occurs, those leaders 
will say that they are sorry for any "innocent people" are killed. The 
Mullas' definition of innocent people are other Muslims. The rest of 
the world is fair game. Most Muslims are just minding their own 
business. Otherwise, there would be 100 times more killing in Iraq. I 
know that.  That doesn't stop the approval by powerful mullahs from 
encouraging low level jihad.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:58:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons

  Robert, et al,

  Perhaps we need to be very careful about condemning all Moslems on the 
basis of what we have seen from terrorists and those who are now 
hating/rioting/destructively venting in the cartoon flap. There are, no 
doubt what-so-ever, some very terrible people who are or who profess to 
be Moslems, and worse, profess to be the "true" leaders of Islam and 
who wish to do many of us great, great harm.

  However, not all Moslems take this view; not all Moslems hate Jews. 
Just as the local CCC does not represent anything but a crackpot fringe 
cult of Christianity, hard-line Moslems, regardless of what they claim, 
do not represent all of Islam. It is to the moderate Moslems that we 
need to appeal and to attempt to dialogue and to co-exist with.

  As a non-believer, I see the use of religious fervor by terrorists, 
politicians, and others, no matter what religion is professed, to be 
extremely scary. Not only can irrational religious/superstitious 
beliefs be very powerful, passionate, mind-numbing motivators, it is 
extremely scary because unlike gravity, string theory, electricity, 
etc, there is currently no way to determine which set of religious 
beliefs, if any, are true.

  This unfortunate state of affairs of total religious ignorance, and no 
way of alleviating it yet discovered, is one main reason why 
religionists resort to all kinds of rhetorical tricks to convince 
themselves and to convince everyone else that their claims are the only 
"true" ones. Rioting, for example, is a similar rhetorical device to 
shouting to convince others that you are correct. A "Whoever can shout 
the loudest wins." mentality. Rioting/hating/etc also potently engages 
the passions, further preventing rational thought/investigation into 
religious/superstitious claims and their effects on actions.

  I do not know what the solution is. I know from living here and living 
in/visiting primarily Islamic areas that once so-called religious 
"truths" are invoked to justify an attitude or a behavior, all hope is 
lost for a rational solution.

  It appears extremely, extremely unlikely that the peoples of the world 
will suddenly recognize that religious/superstitious fantasies are just 
that -- unverifiable, troglodytic fantasies.

  If history has taught us anything it is: Religious/superstitious 
fantasies certainly have useful purposes at times, but are not the kind 
of knowledge on which to successfully base/predict probable outcomes in 
the universe as we know it. Until, or more realistically, if, that 
fundamental state of affairs is recognized, horrific, perhaps humankind 
annihilating strife will grow and continue.

  Those who have known me for a long time know that it has been for at 
least 50 years and is my opinion that the end of humankind will not be 
wrought by some alleged god or gods invisibly hiding/lurking in the 
shadows, but some f**king maniacs acting as if those alleged invisible 
shadows have substance and that these f**king maniacs know exactly what 
those invisible shadows are bidding.

  There is some probability, perhaps greater than 0.50, given the 
current state of technology/knowledge, the near end of humankind will 
occur within 25 years and be wrought by religious fanatics.

 I am glad I am old and hopefully be gone by then.

 Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
 deco at moscow.com

 ----- Original Message ----- From: <mekt7 at netscape.net>
 To: <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:30 PM
 Subject: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons

  > One can hardly be surprised that Iran wants to play like the little 
boy > who, when offended, shouts, "Oh yeah? Well your momma!, is going 
to do > Holocaust cartoons. It does nothing for their cause but show 
the world > the true face of Islam, a violent and hostile threat to the 
peace of the > world.
 >
 > Robert
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