[Vision2020] Blind leading the blind

Tue Feb 7 12:15:59 PST 2006

So Jackie Woolf,

Which way is it?

This is from your post of Dec 11, 
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2003-December/005982.html
"Jim Jones was the leader of a cult.  David Koresh was the leader of 
cult. (Personally, I knew David when he was still calling himself Vernon.  
Believe me, I know the difference between a cult and a genuine church 
that worships God.) The two named are absolute examples of what a 
cult leader and group is all about.  

Pastor Wilson, the Church of Christ is the absolute example of what a 
cult is NOT.  There is NO brainwashing; there is NO physical/pyschological 
abuse.  There is NO condemnation of the soul if someone choses(sic) to 
leave.  There is NO part of Christ Church which worships anyone else 
but God and HIS word.  The Church of Christ AND Pastor Wilson do answer 
to people outside of our town and community.  A cult answers only to itself.
 Like you have said in the past "Pastor Wilson, the Church of Christ is the absolute example of what a cult is NOT.." 
lemeno, Doug

-----Original Message-----From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>To: vision2020 at moscow.comSent: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:32:22 -0800Subject: [Vision2020] Blind leading the blind
"Note: in Wilson's latest post on "Nameless Others," in which he references our discusion here (at poohsthink.com), he confuses the distinction between "an accuser" and someone wanting a common knowledge and public "argument" addressed. Pushing for someone to answer an argument (or expounding the available argument) is not the same as coming as someone's accuser. There is more tangled mess in Wilson's reasoning on these issues as he still tries to find ways to once again silence the evidence and public arguments against him, but I thought I'd point out this one problem for now. Thanks. Michael Metzler" (poohsthink.com) 

"Calling Pastor Wilson a liar is not excatly advancing an argument. Gabriel Rench " 

And....being a blind follower, no matter how much evidence is shown to you regarding the obvious corruption within your organization and by your "pastor", does? 

And to set the record straight: 

"...Doug Wilson, Evan Wilson, and several other men were commissioned to the work of Faith Fellowship, later to become Christ Church, by the elders of the Evangelical Free Church of Pullman at a meeting held in the One-Way Bookstore of Pullman, WA (correction: Crossroads in Moscow) in the mid-1970s/(80s). The elders of EFC-Pullman at the time included Jim Wilson and Doug Busby. 
Terry Morin " 

"...now we know that no presbytery "ordained" Wilson." poohsthink.com 

So, Wilson is NOT an ordained minister, pastor, reverend, etc. Just like someone claiming to be a cop is not a cop just on his or his friend's say-so. 

Those of us who have left the CC, did so out of clarity of sight and concern that the Gospel/Word of God was/is being perverted to the use of the speaker (that being Wilson) for HIS gain, both financially and the sake of his vanity. Did any of us make that decision rashly or without a great deal of thought and prayer - no. We did so in order to get away from perversion that is corruption. That does not make us bitter, angry, resentful or any other term SOME like to place on us...it makes us followers of God's Word and wanting that Word to be truthfully espoused by those we turn to for guidence and teaching. At the CC, that simply is not happening. 

One question I had to ask myself before I left...can Wilson prove his point(s) by using the ENTIRE Bible or is he using a word, a sentence, a phrase and ignoring the context of those items? Unfortunately, I and others have come to the conclusion that Wilson uses only what he needs to prove himself the apsotle he is claiming to be and therefore the ONLY person that can speak the Truth and ignoring the rest of what the Bible teaches, both in the Old and New Testiment. Again, I refer to David Koresh (Vernon Howell), who claimed he could prove he was the reincarnated King David and King Cyrus, by the Bible. Anyone care to review how that mess turned out for his followers? (Point of interest - David/Vernon was a musician who loved rock/roll; hmmmm - sound familiar?) 

Like I have said in the past "None are so blind as those who refuse to see." 

J :] 

P.S. Keep up the good work Michael...you are making a difference. 

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