[Vision2020] RE: [Vision2020 anonymity (was Chas on John D)

[Phil Nisbet]

Keely

I have not taken offense at Chas or anybody else posting with their real 
names over this issue.  I take your post as from a real person with a real 
question.

John D is a troll.  He only attacks very specific people.  I ask why he is 
very specifically targeting a Jew.  My conclusion can only be that he is 
politically motivated to do so.  I can not show that he is not doing so as 
some Aryan Nations flake, because he refuses consistantly to identify 
himself.  If his motivations differ from that, its pretty easy for him to 
identify himself and allow us to know that he is not a skinhead.

I will note that when the trolls you are refering to went on the attack 
phase on other posters to this board I gave a resounding condemnation of 
their activity.  Trolls breed divisivness that is geared to insuring that 
communities do not work out their differences and remain in a state of 
conflict.  I do not find any trolls activities as positive.

Phil NIsbet


>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com, chasuk at gmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020 anonymity (was Chas on John D)
>Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:17:38 -0800
>
>Phil,
>
>I don't like it when people  post anonymously or with pseudonyms, and we've 
>had a number of bombthrowing trolls on the list, but your characterization 
>of John D seems more than a little extreme.  I echo Chasuk's question -- 
>have you and John D been in an off-list dialogue we're not party to?  Is 
>that why "skinhead scumbag" seems like it came out of left field, or do you 
>really equate John D's partial anonymity with anti-Semitic rabblerousing?
>
>Because I still think I'm missing something . . . but I'm fairly certain 
>you'll take offense at my question.  Please know that none is intended, and 
>my interest in commenting is simply that there are enough anti-Semitic 
>scumbags in the world without carelessly accusing people who annoy you of 
>behavior that vile.
>
>keely
>
>
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: chasuk at gmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Chas on John D
>Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:40:18 -0800
>
>Chas
>
>John D is a troll who refuses to abide by simple rules for this list and 
>identify himself.  He is posting things which are typical of trolls, 
>seeking to spark controversy.  I have asked frequently for him to identify 
>himself and he continues to refuse to do so.
>
>So if he wants controversy, there it is.  It is what he was seeking, so his 
>"huh?" is pretty disingeneous.  He wants to throw handgrenades, expects 
>some shrapnel to fly back to his little bunker of anonymity.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>>From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
>>To: John D <johnd550 at yahoo.com>
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John D Troll Neo Nazi Scum
>>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:34:48 -0800
>>
>>On 2/6/06, John D <johnd550 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >  Huh????
>>
>>John, I echo your confusion.  Unless Phil and you are engaged in some
>>sort of private dialogue, I, too confused over the "John D Troll Neo
>>Nazi Scum" accusation in the subject line (and the rest of the
>>message, frankly).
>>
>>Would Phil care to elucidate?
>>
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