[Vision2020] Re: LMT reporting US losses
Phil Nisbet
pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Mon Feb 6 08:14:32 PST 2006
Sunil
No, I do not think that Roger H is an anti-Semite; however, I am afraid that
the argument is quite clear and a natural progression. I speak with some
historical precedence there.
Following the oil argument, the average holder of that debate point will go
on to Israel and to the terrors of Zionism. That is the other shoe. I see
this argument with frequency from both the neo-Nazi websites and from the
radical left’s as well.
But look at the oil argument itself.
It was and would have been cheaper to simply buy the oil from the dictators.
We were locked into our allowance of brutal behavior by Middle Eastern
regimes because we wanted cheap oil.
That’s why we did nothing when the Baathists ethnically cleansed their
Jewish population.
That’s why we did nothing when Saddam started to ethnically cleanse his
Kurdish population.
We could have continued to use $20-30 Arab oil and let the wealth that that
generated buy more and more military hardware. We could have continued our
polices of first supporting one country's dictator and then the next,
destabilizing one here and then one there to maintain low oil prices. It is
what we had been doing from 1948 on.
Driving up the costs of the raw material oil at a very high financial cost
to the US government and all taxpayers made very little sense in terms of
American oil companies. Our firms are not primarily in control of oil
reserves, they make their money in the refining of petroleum products. Most
of the oil company execs were firmly against war in the Middle East. They
fear long term disruption of the pecking order that they have firmly
established with the various dictators for their percentages of the product
flow.
High oil prices also are a spur to alternative fuels and alternatively
sourced oil. Production of oil from the oil sands in Canada is growing
rapidly now and Big Oil is not the group that controls that particular oil
patch. Bio-diesel and ethanol are looking very strong and Big Oil is not
the primary recipient of that potential largess.
The big winners over the next few years are not going to be the Oil Firms;
it will be the other energy producers. Using the premises of the Oil is the
reasons for the war groups, it can just as logically be said that Archer
Daniels Midland (ADM) was the reason the war started. ADM controls 80% of
North American ethanol production and higher oil prices have at last made
that a very lucrative business.
Once the oil is the reason for war arguments fall, where do those who want
to see a conspiracy by a government they hate turn? They turn, as has Cindy
Sheehan, to blaming Zionism and Jews. That process has already started.
It’s the same process that went on under the America First dialogue in the
1930’s, when the American Peace Movement refused to be involved in the
Second World War.
The rhetoric of that 1930’s Peace Movement is spot on with the current one.
You can recycle their verbiage to any current demonstration with very little
change. We are dooming ourselves to repeating the mistakes of those years
if we do not study that history and understand it.
Phil Nisbet
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: rhayes at turbonet.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: LMT reporting US losses
>Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:39:20 -0800
>
>Phil,
>
>Sometimes your leaps leave me amazed, and this is one of those times. I
>didn't see anything in Roger's post that comes close to being anti-Semitic,
>and yet there you are with a pretty wild accusation.
>
>I think this war is in large part about controlling access to oil. I don't
>think 'it's all about the Jews. And I think someone should be able to make
>the first statement without being accused of the second.
>
>When you do that you take away the ability to have an honest discussion
>about the war. Instead of discussing the issue that was actually raised,
>now we're off having a different discussion about an unrelated subject.
>
>Sunil
>
>
>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>To: rhayes at turbonet.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: LMT reporting US losses
>>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:06:07 -0800
>>
>>Roger H
>>
>>So, from your particular slant here, its perfectly OK that the radicals of
>>the Islamic world decides to target people and countries for death and
>>extermination?
>>
>>Your notions here remind me of the America First movement of the 1930's.
>>In particular it reminds me of Charles Lindberg's speeches of that era.
>>So when do I get to hear the other shoe drop, that same plaint that
>>Lindberg used, "Its all about those darn Jews"?
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>>From: roger hayes <rhayes at turbonet.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: LMT reporting US losses
>>>Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:21:20 -0800
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ted, the media is suffering from the same mentality as the American
>>>public, cognitive dissonance. This means even though the truth is
>>>staring us in the face, we would prefer not to know, or see, what's
>>>really going on. As death, whether American, or Iraqi becomes all too
>>>common, we will relegate that news further from the forefront of our
>>>consciousness, and hence the front page of our papers.
>>>For all of our patriotic chest thumping, the recent waves of indignation
>>>about the cartooning of Mohammed and the resulting claim that Islam is
>>>trying to take over the world, the deaths are for, and about, oil. We
>>>need it, and they have it. This is the truth people don't want to know.
>>>But even our corporate oil President in his State of the
>>>Union Address said, "we are addicted to oil." I sense that he feels safe
>>>in at last stating the truth about the war. He knows we will hear truth,
>>>but we will do nothing about it.
>>>Soon we will have to begin rating our SUVs and monster trucks in miles
>>>per human life rather than miles per gallon. Even that will be
>>>acceptable I fear.
>>>
>>>Roger Hayes
>>>Moscow
>>>
>>>
>>>>All:
>>>>
>>>>I was amazed and dismayed to read the Friday, Feb. 3, 2006 edition of
>>>>the
>>>>Lewiston Morning Tribune, given the choices made regarding what
>>>>deserves
>>>>front page focus, and what does not. Four articles dominated the front
>>>>page: one on wolves delisting, Bush seeking 120 billion more for wars,
>>>>Orofino teenagers, and something about a Lapwai man and Pres-to-Logs...
>>>>
>>>>Then I was astonished to read on the left hand lower corner of page 3 a
>>>>small article, with a tiny headline, notifying us that 5 more US
>>>>soldiers
>>>>had died in combat in Iraq in the past week.
>>>>
>>>>I know that many Iraq war supporters think the US media focuses too
>>>>much on
>>>>the negative news from Iraq, but does putting notice of the deaths in
>>>>the
>>>>past week of 5 US soldiers, who gave their lives to defend us, deserve
>>>>nothing more than a tiny article with a tiny headline in the left hand
>>>>lower
>>>>corner of page 3?
>>>>
>>>>Have we become that callous to the horror of the war in Iraq, to the
>>>>ultimate sacrifices of our soldiers when they die in combat, that
>>>>Pres-to-Logs are a more important subject?
>>>>
>>>>Or did the Tribune make a decision that the deaths of US soldiers in
>>>>Iraq
>>>>are not the proper subject to best sell their newspaper at this time?
>>>>Has
>>>>coverage of the deaths of US soldiers in Iraq become so easily accepted
>>>>that
>>>>they are not deemed newsworthy enough to be featured on the front page?
>>>>
>>>>Am I wrong to suggest something is amiss here in the Tribune's
>>>>coverage?
>>>>What am I overlooking or overemphasizing?
>>>>
>>>>Ted Moffett
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