[Vision2020] Killing Cartoons
sean
o2design at wsu.edu
Fri Feb 3 12:34:03 PST 2006
Were David or Moses shown mercy/pity by God?
s
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>Phil,
>
>Thank you for posting this important
>information. It certainly highlights how
>dangerous religious/superstitious fantasies can
>become and how serious a threat such can be to
>all of us who cherish freedom of
>expression/inquiry -- a constitutional guarantee
>of our great country and one which more than any
>other has lead to the greatness of our country.
>
>I think we can safely conclude that you strongly
>oppose killing people or otherwise punishing
>people simply because of their
>religious/superstitious beliefs and/or expressed
>opposition to the religions/superstitions of
>others -- a principle with which I thoroughly
>agree. I have noticed that you have by
>implication expressed this principle several
>times before in your V 2020 postings with
>particular reference to terrorists who are or
>who at least allege themselves to be the only
>true Muslims.
>
>However, in reality there is little you or I can
>do to effectively oppose religious/superstitious
>tyranny and irrationalism internationally.
>
>Below the line is reposted a message
>cited/derived from a local religious group which
>also advocates that those who do not share their
>beliefs (pay special attention to heresy in the
>quoted text) should be killed. Please notice
>the vigor, rigor, and passion of their
>imprecations.
>
>While you and I cannot hope to have much of an
>effect on international matters in this regard,
>whether such irrational intolerance with such
>murderous consequences is shown by Christians,
>Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc, perhaps by acting
>vigorously we can hope to have a prophylactic
>effect on a local group which espouses exactly
>the same ideas.
>
>I greatly look forward to your demonstrating
>your principles as expressed by your postings by
>being vociferous in your protests of and
>actions toward the local group who, exactly like
>the individuals in the photo you
>referenced, openly advocate killing those who do
>not agree with or question in various ways their
>religious/superstitious fantasies.
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
><mailto:deco at moscow.com>deco at moscow.com
>
>__________________________________________________________
>
>
>From Credenda/Agenda by Gregory Dickison [Comments added]:
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><http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm>http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm
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>"The civil magistrate is the minister of God to
>execute wrath on the wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God
>has not left his civil minister without guidance
>on how to exercise his office. The Scriptures
>set forth clear standards of judgment for many
>offenses. Capital crimes, for example, include
>premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping,
>sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality,
>and cursing one's parents..."
>
>
>
>"In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of
>these offenses is punishable by death, with the
>occasional exception of murder. The magistrates
>have dispensed with God's standards of justice.
>Some Christians believe this is an improvement.
>They would be horrified to think that the
>"harsh" penalties of the law should still be
>applied. Sometimes this is the result of the
>mistaken belief that the Old Testament has no
>further application after the advent of Christ.
>This is an exegetical problem. Too often, it is
>the result of a sinful view of the criminal.
>This sin is called pity."
>
>"If your brother, the son of your mother, your
>son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or
>your friend who is as your own soul, secretly
>entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other
>gods,". . . you shall not consent to him or
>listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor
>shall you spare him or conceal him; but you
>shall surely kill him..." [Heresy: Beware, ye
>not of the cult (including unconverted Jews)!]
>
>"If two men fight together, and the wife of one
>draws near to rescue her husband from the hand
>of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand
>and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall
>cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity
>her..."
>
>
>
>God commands the judge to evaluate the crime
>rather than the criminal. If the crime is one
>for which God requires death, then death must be
>the punishment. Your eye shall not pity. Neither
>is the repentance of the accused relevant to the
>imposition of the sentence.
>
>"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an
>option where God has decided the matter. The
>[civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to
>faithfully execute justice according to God's
>standard, not man's... This means that we must
>return to an obedience which confines pity
>within the bounds which God has established for
>us."
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <<mailto:pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:51 AM
>Subject: [Vision2020] More on the Cartoons
>
> > This is a Yahoo photo of Islamic protesters in London. Read the signs. Is
>> there any call for statements to exterminate all who oppose Islam?
>>
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>><http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060203/photos_ts_afp/0602031517137vvux78o_photo0&g=events/wl/020106danishcartoons;_ylt=AgI2frwdgnun.MP2DAGOgGLZa7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA>http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060203/photos_ts_afp/0602031517137vvux78o_photo0&g=events/wl/020106danishcartoons;_ylt=AgI2frwdgnun.MP2DAGOgGLZa7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-
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>> Phil Nisbet
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Sean Michael
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