[Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the War ThatIMplies Winnin

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Matt,

Who do you think at this point is winning the economic competition between 
the US and China?  Is there something we could learn from China here?

W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: <godshatter at yahoo.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the War 
ThatIMplies Winnin


> Paul,
>
> I agree we should and all can learn from this congress led military 
> effort.
> We as Americans should think for ourselves and learn from others and our
> mistakes. What I don't understand from that opinion piece is China, and 
> how
> we should learn from them. When have they recently won anything? WW2, we 
> and
> Britian bailed them out. Korea we killed thousands if not a million. Mao 
> Zhe
> thong (spelling) I doubt is a great role model for us to follow. Even in
> todays world, even though they are becoming a very strong nation, tends to
> exploit their own people.
>
> If I am going to learn from another country, China is not on top of my 
> list.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the War That
>>IMplies Winning
>>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:40:24 -0800
>>
>>Tom Hansen wrote:
>>
>> >---------------------
>> >
>> >'War' implies winning
>> >
>> >It is this use and overuse of the term war that is the problem. We must
>>stop
>> >using it so idly. I mean there is this war on terrorism, war on Iraq, 
>> >war
>>on
>> >poverty, on drugs, on ignorance; frankly we will never win any of them.
>>They
>> >are not winnable. The war on Vietnam was not winnable. If a war cannot 
>> >be
>> >won it should be called something else; stupid, possibly. World War I 
>> >and
>>II
>> >were wars.
>> >
>> >A war is so terrible it cannot be lost. In a war that cannot be lost the
>> >whole country is mobilized, everything is put on the line, everything is
>> >taxed, everyone fights and no one makes an unfair profit from it. If we
>>are
>> >unwilling to commit everything, it is not a war. A war should not be so
>>easy
>> >to get into either. Lies and warmongering should not be enough.
>> >
>> >We should learn something from this waste in Iraq. For that matter, we
>> >should learn something from the Chinese. They know about winning. It is
>>time
>> >to go home, George. Ask Rove to throw a spin on it, say we won, declare
>> >victory and start packing.
>> >
>> >Edward L. Parker
>> >Spokane
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>I agree with this 100%.  We are abusing the term.  In fact, it's simply
>>a well-chosen word that is known to push our buttons.  This pisses me
>>off.  I don't like to be manipulated, even though that's all you seem to
>>get in this country anymore.  If it's not the government, it's the
>>media, or the corporations.  Multi-billion dollar advertising campaigns,
>>viral marketing, propaganda - it's a major sign that our country needs
>>an overhaul.
>>
>>We let it happen, plain and simple, because we panicked on 9/11.  That
>>opened the door for a lot of things that will never go back to normal
>>again.
>>
>>Paul
>>
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