[Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the War That IMplies Winnin

[Matt Decker]

Paul,

I agree we should and all can learn from this congress led military effort. 
We as Americans should think for ourselves and learn from others and our 
mistakes. What I don't understand from that opinion piece is China, and how 
we should learn from them. When have they recently won anything? WW2, we and 
Britian bailed them out. Korea we killed thousands if not a million. Mao Zhe 
thong (spelling) I doubt is a great role model for us to follow. Even in 
todays world, even though they are becoming a very strong nation, tends to 
exploit their own people.

If I am going to learn from another country, China is not on top of my list.

Matt





>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the War That 
>IMplies Winning
>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:40:24 -0800
>
>Tom Hansen wrote:
>
> >---------------------
> >
> >'War' implies winning
> >
> >It is this use and overuse of the term war that is the problem. We must 
>stop
> >using it so idly. I mean there is this war on terrorism, war on Iraq, war 
>on
> >poverty, on drugs, on ignorance; frankly we will never win any of them. 
>They
> >are not winnable. The war on Vietnam was not winnable. If a war cannot be
> >won it should be called something else; stupid, possibly. World War I and 
>II
> >were wars.
> >
> >A war is so terrible it cannot be lost. In a war that cannot be lost the
> >whole country is mobilized, everything is put on the line, everything is
> >taxed, everyone fights and no one makes an unfair profit from it. If we 
>are
> >unwilling to commit everything, it is not a war. A war should not be so 
>easy
> >to get into either. Lies and warmongering should not be enough.
> >
> >We should learn something from this waste in Iraq. For that matter, we
> >should learn something from the Chinese. They know about winning. It is 
>time
> >to go home, George. Ask Rove to throw a spin on it, say we won, declare
> >victory and start packing.
> >
> >Edward L. Parker
> >Spokane
> >
> >
> >
>
>I agree with this 100%.  We are abusing the term.  In fact, it's simply
>a well-chosen word that is known to push our buttons.  This pisses me
>off.  I don't like to be manipulated, even though that's all you seem to
>get in this country anymore.  If it's not the government, it's the
>media, or the corporations.  Multi-billion dollar advertising campaigns,
>viral marketing, propaganda - it's a major sign that our country needs
>an overhaul.
>
>We let it happen, plain and simple, because we panicked on 9/11.  That
>opened the door for a lot of things that will never go back to normal 
>again.
>
>Paul
>
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