[Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 28 09:27:46 PST 2006
I see....so if someone came to your house or place of work and spray painted
"ENOS" or some other nonsense on your buildings, vehicles, and property,
you'd be ok with it because it represents a "youngster's artistic side"?
Yeah - right.
Why don't you ask the people whose property has already been damaged by
these punks if they think that way? We've already seen plenty of posts from
them saying they DON'T think "it is a good thing".
And since when is a 20(+)year old considered "a child" or "youngster"? The
people that have been arrested and/or are suspects are NOT
children...unless, of course, you know something about this that we don't?!
Care to share?
J :]
>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
>Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:50:05 -0800
>
>J,
>
>O what will I ever do if you think I am not a man of my word? I don't know
>if I can continue on.
>
>As for the paintings on buildings. Heck I find it as a creative
>representation of the youngsters mind. In this artist town I would think
>more would feel like that.
>
>Have fun with that one
>
>Side note: if you must say something else can you please do off list so we
>can spare the Vizz our childish behavior.
>Thank you
>Matt
>
> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:59:59 -0800
> >
> >Ok, so apparently you are not a man of your word. You asked for me to
>move
> >onto more public-minded issues - I did and yet you still slam me. Go
> >figure.
> >
> >As far as saving tax-payer money - your "plan" would not do that. It
>would
> >be the City who provided the paint and the labor as it is City property
> >that
> >the mess is on and THEY are responsible for providing for the cleaning-up
> >of
> >said property. If it was on private things, that would be different, but
> >even then a person could not just go upto said property and start
>painting
> >over the mess some non-civic minded fool made.
> >
> >Don't see you volunteering to do it, either. There goes your mask of
>being
> >civic-minded.
> >
> >
> >
> >J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:07:09 -0800
> > >
> > >J,
> > >
> > >A got a great way to save tax payers money, get rid of the graffiti,
>and
> > >give you something besides thinking of Doug. Donate your time and paint
> >the
> > >cans and walls. Heck I'll even pay for the paint.
> > >
> > >Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:58:20 -0800
> > >>
> > >>2 years ago?! Ok, that's really relevant, now isn't it.
> > >>
> > >>Well, I'm off this line of...em, stuff. How about someone from the
>City
> > >>addressing the issue of the graffiti on the shop fence? Anyway that
> >could
> > >>get taken down or painted over soon? I've noticed that there are
> >several
> > >>instances of the same kind of writing down town on a dumpster, a power
> >box
> > >>and a couple of buildings. Unless we're going for the "ghetto look" I
> > >>don't
> > >>see why these can't be painted or washed out?!
> > >>
> > >>Anyone?
> > >>
> > >>J :]
> > >>
> > >>There - better?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> > >> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >> >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:47:20 -0800
> > >> >
> > >> >J,
> > >> >
> > >> >The smearing happened about two years ago.
> > >> >
> > >> >J, if you would just quit with your antics, I will drop this. Please
> >if
> > >>you
> > >> >must, create your own site and take it elsewhere. Vission 2020, in
> > >>theory
> > >> >is
> > >> >a great site. When it is used for yours and others rants and
>personal
> > >> >agendas, that is when people start leaving or using the delete
>button.
> >I
> > >> >would hope that we can all discuss local and interesting global
>topics
> > >> >without personal gain.
> > >> >
> > >> >Until something else
> > >> >Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >> > >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:46:08 -0800
> > >> > >
> > >> > >M,
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Not to prolong this but just when did Gary have his windows
>smeared?
> > >> >This
> > >> > >is the first I've heard of it. Doesn't mean it didn't happen or
> >that
> > >>he
> > >> > >didn't say something before, but I have never heard this before.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >If it did, it never should have. And yes, I HAVE condemned any
>and
> > >>all
> > >> > >such
> > >> > >actions no matter whom they involved. There are several other
> >people
> > >>on
> > >> > >this list who have had things like this happen to them and THEY
>have
> > >> >never
> > >> > >accused anyone or even suggested anyone be considered as
> > >>"suspects"...in
> > >> > >fact, many of them never even reported the acts to the police.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >BTW...I am not tring or intending to "get (any)where with" you so
> >that
> > >> > >suites us both rather well, I'd say.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >J :]
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> > >> > > >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >> > > >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:16:50 -0800
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >J,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >I will not disagree that if someone is falsely accused or if
> >crimes
> > >>are
> > >> > > >being committed, then said just things should be stopped. Crimes
> > >> >against
> > >> > > >persons or property whether yours, mine, or Dougs, should be
> >halted
> > >>or
> > >> > > >investigated. With that said, if a crime or mischif is occuring
> >why
> > >> > > >shouldn't the cops be called?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >What stikes me as funny is the fact that you are trying to be
>this
> > >> > > >concerned
> > >> > > >citizen, looking out for everyones welfare. Where were you when
> > >>Dougs
> > >> > > >mailbox had that smelly substance in it? You bad mouthed Doug
> > >>calling
> > >> >him
> > >> > >a
> > >> > > >liar, that where. How about when Gary had crap smeared on his
> > >>business
> > >> > > >window? So in other words quit with your lies. I don't buy it
>and
> > >>most
> > >> > > >others don't either. All I am asking is take your OBSESSION
> > >>elsewhere.
> > >> >I
> > >> > > >know it won't happen but hey I've tried.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Many Viss members are tired of this rant. Mr. Metsler has even
> >asked
> > >> >you
> > >> > >to
> > >> > > >stop, along with Chas. If you want to inform the public about
>this
> > >>man
> > >> > >and
> > >> > > >the abuses he has done, try to do it in an informative way. Not
> >the
> > >> > > >obsessive rants spewed out of you fingers on a daily basis.
>Until
> > >>that
> > >> > > >point
> > >> > > >you get nowhere with me.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Matt
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >> > > > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >> > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:08:39 -0800
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >I'm not going to prolong this outside of saying....
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >This DOES affect the community in ways people like YOU refuse
>to
> > >> > > > >acknowledge. If he is willing to falsely accuse the group of
>us
> > >>he
> > >> > >has,
> > >> > > > >what makes YOU safe from his accusation? Just because you are
> >not
> > >>in
> > >> > >his
> > >> > > > >radar at this particular moment does not mean you never will
>be.
> > >>In
> > >> > > > >addition, the person/s that ARE harassing him need to be
> >stopped.
> > >> >The
> > >> > > >fact
> > >> > > > >that someone felt it necessary to let the community know about
> > >>this
> > >> >and
> > >> > > > >other incidents like it should tell you there is a problem. I
> >am
> > >>not
> > >> > >the
> > >> > > > >originator of said communication, I just passed it on along
>with
> >a
> > >> > > > >statement that those of us who are continually being accused
>by
> > >>Doug
> > >> >as
> > >> > > >his
> > >> > > > >"attackers" had NOTHING to do with this or any *ANY* incident
> > >> >involving
> > >> > > > >Doug Wilson and his home/property.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >Of course, the graffiti that has been hitting this particular
> >area
> > >>of
> > >> > > >town
> > >> > > > >may not DIRECTLY affect you or your family, but it does affect
> >you
> > >>in
> > >> > > >that
> > >> > > > >it is YOUR (and all of our) tax monies that go towards paying
> >for
> > >>the
> > >> > > > >clean-up. As well, it is OUR (not Doug's) tax monies paying
>to
> > >> > > >investigate
> > >> > > > >false charges. Since Doug and his bunch refuse to pay taxes,
> > >>basing
> > >> > > >their
> > >> > > > >claim on being "non-profit" (BTW, aren't np's supposed to stay
> >OUT
> > >>of
> > >> > > > >political campaigns?) I see this as just another abuse of a
> >system
> > >>he
> > >> > > > >continues to complain about but seemingly has no problem in
> >using
> > >> >when
> > >> > >it
> > >> > > > >suites him.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >And I will remind you I do NOT hate Doug nor any member of his
> > >> >church.
> > >> > > > >What I hate, as Martin Luther King, Jr. said, is the sins he
> > >>commits
> > >> >in
> > >> > > > >God's name, especially when he calls this town and it's
>citizens
> > >>his
> > >> > > >enemy.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >As far as taking this somewhere else - no. As noted above,
>this
> > >>DOES
> > >> > > > >affect the ENTIRE community in one form or another. Deal with
> >it
> > >>or
> > >> > >just
> > >> > > > >ignore it and let it continue...either way, until he stops
>this
> > >>kind
> > >> >of
> > >> > > > >abuse of the systems, it will continue.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >End.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >J :]
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> > >> > > > >>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> > > > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >> > > > >>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:14:38 -0800
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>J,
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>For the umpTEENth time can you please take your hatred
> >elsewhere.
> > >> >You
> > >> > > > >>couldn't even stop on X-mas day. Your obsession with this man
> >is
> > >> > >scary.
> > >> > > > >>Please if you must continue, can you please, no wait, pretty
> > >>please
> > >> > >with
> > >> > > > >>sugar on top take it somewhere else.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>Thank you
> > >> > > > >>matt
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >> > > > >>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> > > > >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >> > > > >>>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:05:45 -0800
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>>You know, if YOU had been the victim - Yes! VICTIM!! - of a
> > >>false
> > >> > > >police
> > >> > > > >>>report or two, had people asking you what made you do it,
>had
> >it
> > >> > >affect
> > >> > > > >>>your
> > >> > > > >>>personal and business life, I know you'd think differently.
> > >> >Whether
> > >> > > >you
> > >> > > > >>>want to admit it or not, Doug started this by falsely
>accusing
> > >> > >several
> > >> > > > >>>people of doing some really destructive and mean things to
>him
> > >>and
> > >> > >his
> > >> > > > >>>home/property. Not a single one of us would EVER think to
>do
> > >>these
> > >> > > > >>>things,
> > >> > > > >>>not even our relatives would. However, it is obvious from
>the
> > >> >recent
> > >> > > > >>>events
> > >> > > > >>>as well as events of the past two/three years, Doug and his
> > >>bunch
> > >> >are
> > >> > > >NOT
> > >> > > > >>>above doing things like this or above making false charges
> > >>against
> > >> > > >people
> > >> > > > >>>HE
> > >> > > > >>>DOES NOT EVEN KNOW!
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>>While I am "sorry" about your being offended - I am NOT
>sorry
> > >>for
> > >> > > >letting
> > >> > > > >>>the public know that even though SOMEone is continuing to go
> > >>around
> > >> > > > >>>Doug's
> > >> > > > >>>house - IT IS NOT ANY OF US that he has previously named -
>so
> > >>stop
> > >> > >with
> > >> > > > >>>the
> > >> > > > >>>accusations!
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>>And BTW, how is Doug showing "christian charity" when he
> > >>violates a
> > >> > > > >>>COMMANDMENT and "bares false witness"? I'd like to see you
>go
> > >> >after
> > >> > > >HIM
> > >> > > > >>>for
> > >> > > > >>>that bit of un-pastor-like behavior, but I'm not holding my
> > >>breath.
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>>J :]
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>>P.S. I still think you're a nice guy and all - I just think
> > >>you're
> > >> >a
> > >> > > >bit
> > >> > > > >>>off on this one. No offense meant or extended, ok?
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>> >From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
> > >> > > > >>> >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >> > > > >>> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> > > > >>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mailbox assault again
> > >> > > > >>> >Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 22:51:28 -0800
> > >> > > > >>> >
> > >> > > > >>> >On 12/25/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > >>> >
> > >> > > > >>> > > WARNING: Blue Toyota Pick-up truck on the loose and
> > >> >apparently,
> > >> > > >is
> > >> > > > >>> > > "harassing" Dougie-BOY Wilson's house.
> > >>http://poohsthink.com,
> > >> > >"On
> > >> > > > >>>Being
> > >> > > > >>> >A Good Neighbor".
> > >> > > > >>> >
> > >> > > > >>> > > TO BE SURE - it is not I, Jackie, Tom, Terry, Charlie
>or
> > >>even
> > >> > > > >>>Michael;
> > >> > > > >>> >NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF US OWNS SUCH A VEHICLE. If in doubt
> >of
> > >> >that
> > >> > > > >>>claim -
> > >> > > > >>> > > tough....its true.
> > >> > > > >>> >
> > >> > > > >>> >Sigh. Maybe I just define a few words differently. Words
> > >>like
> > >> > > > >>> >"juvenile," "sophomoric," "lame," "embarrassing," and
> > >>"cretinous"
> > >> > > > >>> >apply to the above excerpt.
> > >> > > > >>> >
> > >> > > > >>> >Words like "example of Christian charity," and "maturity"
> > >>don't.
> > >> > > > >>> >
> > >> > > > >>> >Maybe my Funk & Wagnalls is out of date, or maybe my
> >tolerance
> > >> >for
> > >> > > > >>> >petulant and childish behavior in putative adults has
>grown
> > >> > >thinner.
> > >> > > > >>> >At any rate, I'm not going pretend this type of asininity
>is
> > >>okay
> > >> > >any
> > >> > > > >>> >longer, regardless of the source.
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