[Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
Bruce and Jean Livingston
jeanlivingston at turbonet.com
Tue Dec 19 15:58:52 PST 2006
Good people,
In the spirit of the holidays and in light of standards of common courtesy,
might we all try to omit the crude, ad hominem attacks? I think that is all
that Roger is suggesting. I think he was expressing that thought to those
on the right, left or middle. Attempt to persuade with your reason, not the
insulting crudeness of your posts. When others fall down into the gutter of
rude name calling and personal insults, do not join them, unless you are
kindly helping them up.
Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it, and to those who do not, enjoy
your holidays to the fullest, whether your holiday is Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, the
winter solstice, winter break, or something else.
Peace be with you.
Bruce Livingston
----- Original Message -----
From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Ellen Roskovich" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
<debismith at moscow.com>; <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
> Ellen
>
> I think I just said I did not excuse Tony' s derogatory posts. I do not
> agree with his nasty posts any more than I do with anyone else's.
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Ellen Roskovich" gussie443 at hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:01:28 -0800
> To: lfalen at turbonet.com, thansen at moscow.com, debismith at moscow.com,
> tonytime at clearwire.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
>
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>> Well, Roger, I haven't noticed you publicly scolding Tony for some of
>> his nastiness.
>>
>> Ellen A. Roskovich
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>> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> To: "Ellen Roskovich" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>, thansen at moscow.com,
>> debismith at moscow.com, tonytime at clearwire.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
>> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:43:01 -0800
>> >Thats fine Ellen, but do you think it is ok for those on the left to
>> demean people with right wing view. Lets apply the same standards to
>> every one.
>> >
>> >Roge
>> >-----Original message-----
>> >From: "Ellen Roskovich" gussie443 at hotmail.com
>> >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:36:04 -0800
>> >To: thansen at moscow.com, lfalen at turbonet.com, debismith at moscow.com,
>> tonytime at clearwire.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > During some of those so-called "relapses" he's been hammering on
>> Sunil
>> > > pretty damn hard also. He's crude. . . and I for one don't find
>> his
>> > > nasty comments thought provoking in the least.
>> > >
>> > > Ellen A. Roskovich
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > > From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> > > To: "'lfalen'" <lfalen at turbonet.com>, <debismith at moscow.com>,
>> > > "'Tony'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
>> > > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:04:47 -0800
>> > > >Roger Falen stated:
>> > > >
>> > > >"Tony has been tring yo be more civil ( with some relapses."
>> > > >
>> > > >Oh, really, Mr. Falen. How about a short, quick review?
>> > > >
>> > > >From:
>> > >
>> >http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-December/038985.html
>> > > >
>> > > >"These leftists have not believed in their country since 1968.
>> They
>> > > view
>> > > >anything America does as 'imperialistic aggression.' They feel
>> that
>> > > as such
>> > > >aggressors, we deserved what happened on 911. They, whether they
>> are
>> > > >conscious of it or not, share the goals of our enemies. They are
>> > > what are
>> > > >frequently referred to as the enemy from within . . . "
>> > > >
>> > > >I assume that you, Mr. Falen, file this under a minor "relapse"?
>> > > >
>> > > >I have NEVER faltered in my faith to my country, Mr. Falen.
>> Unless
>> > > he can
>> > > >substantiate his claim, he owes us (and the rest of the list) a
>> major
>> > > >apology.
>> > > >
>> > > >Tom Hansen
>> > > >SFC, US Army (Retired)
>> > > >Moscow, Idaho
>> > > >
>> > > >"I love my country but fear my government."
>> > > >
>> > > >- Author Unknown
>> > > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> > > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> > > >On Behalf Of lfalen
>> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:50 AM
>> > > >To: debismith at moscow.com; Tony; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
>> > > >
>> > > >Debbi
>> > > >It is not necessary to be nasty. Tony has been tring yo be more
>> civil
>> > > ( with
>> > > >some relapses). Your posts are no better.
>> > > >Roger
>> > > >-----Original message-----
>> > > >From: debismith at moscow.com
>> > > >Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:28:34 -0800
>> > > >To: "Tony" tonytime at clearwire.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
>> > > >
>> > > > > Ok, now reality has really gone sideways. ToeKnee telling Pat
>> she
>> > > is
>> > > >persuasive? Too much!!!
>> > > > > ROTFL for about a week!!! The nitwit leading the stupid!!!!
>> > > Staying the
>> > > >course for the two of
>> > > > > them is defending the indefensible, believing the
>> unbelievable,
>> > > and
>> > > >patting one another on the
>> > > > > arthritic shoulders.....1955 revisited... Sad little people
>> with
>> > > no brain
>> > > >cells, just rhetoric and
>> > > > > reguritation.
>> > > > > Debi R-s
>> > > > >
>> > > > > From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> > > > > To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>> > > > > Date sent: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:06:47 -0800
>> > > > > Copies to: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat nails it on Iraq
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ]
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Pat, thank you for so persuasively stating the obvious
>> regarding
>> > > Iraq.
>> > > > > But don't wait for these terrorist sympathizers to acknowledge
>> it.
>> > > > > They only understand staying the course when it comes to
>> > > campaigning
>> > > > > for their right to marry another sodomite or kill their unborn
>> > > child.
>> > > > > God knows their stamina is never-ending on those issues.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Merry Christmas, -T----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>> > > > > To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:45 AM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] tony's worries for american women
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >I guess you do not know about Saddams two sons using the
>> local
>> > > > > >elementary
>> > > > > > school for sexual foder with 12 year olds. Or all the other
>> > > rapes,
>> > > > > > sodomies or other assorted activities by any man in Iraq??
>> He
>> > > put
>> > > > > > people in shredders in front of the family to keep control.
>> AND
>> > > it
>> > > > > > all happened with no and I mean no opportunity for any
>> justice.
>> > > We
>> > > > > > have a soldier do it and he is in jail. You may not see a
>> > > difference
>> > > > > > but I do a major one. I am aware that all that stuff wasn't
>> > > > > > bothering too many people here but it was making me loose
>> sleep
>> > > at
>> > > > > > night. The terrioist move people, women children men they
>> don't
>> > > care
>> > > > > > into the line of fire and they keep them there. Our troops
>> do
>> > > the
>> > > > > > best they can but it isn't easy. We are not to blame for
>> every
>> > > death
>> > > > > > in Iraq. And just so you know I see far more likeness to
>> WWII
>> > > than
>> > > > > > Vietnam except that there are a bunch of whiners who do not
>> > > > > > understand what it means to stand the course.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > From: "Bookpeople of Moscow" <Bookpeople at moscow.com>
>> > > > > > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:14 AM
>> > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] tony's worries for american women
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > tony you would be more credible if you had any worry or
>> regeard
>> > > for
>> > > > > > the tens of thousands of iraqi women who are dying in iraq
>> > > because
>> > > > > > of george bush. iraq like vietnam is a case where the
>> american
>> > > govt
>> > > > > > said we know better than you to another group of people and
>> > > we're
>> > > > > > going to make you do it our way. forget you fascination with
>> > > bill
>> > > > > > clinton. its time to move on to reality. its 2006 not
>> > > 1996.george
>> > > > > > bush is president and there is no credibility to the us govt
>> > > either
>> > > > > > at home or abroad.and its all bush's fault.
>> > > > > >
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