[Vision2020] guilty of PWF

Taro Tanaka taro_tanaka at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 13 06:48:56 PST 2006 

Amazing. Ire? The only thing I feel is sadness for your sake, Keely, that 
you are only capable of such jaundiced reading. I've been posting nothing 
but reasoning, yet you say there is no reasoning, even as you give no reason 
except to say that "God's Spirit" has revealed something to you, and 
therefore we're all supposed to just accept that. Have you forgotten about 
the injunction to "be ready always to give an answer to every man that 
asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 
having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of 
evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in 
Christ"?

-- Princess Sushitushi

"keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

>Nope, no "special truth" communicated to me.  The only "special" thing 
>communicated to me is your unreasonable -- and unreasoning -- ire.   Oddly 
>enough, I don't feel at all special about it, and since I don't seek your 
>approval, I'm finished with this thread.
>
>keely
>
>From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] guilty of PWF
>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:56:37 +0000
>
>Guilty of PWF? Gee, Keely, you tell me, because you're the one who brought
>up the totally irrelevant issue of your gender, not me. I could care less
>what your gender is in this context.
>
>Would you please clarify for me how God's Spirit communicates His truth to
>you? Is this truth given to you uniquely or is it equally available to all
>believers in Jesus Christ? How can others confirm this truth that has been
>revealed to you? For that matter, how can *you* confirm this truth that has
>been revealed to you? Is there any possibility that a truth revealed to you
>(or to anyone) by God's Spirit might contradict what has already been
>revealed in the Bible? What is the standard by which one "tests spirits" as
>commanded in 1 John chapter 4? What standard is being pointed to by Paul in
>Galatians 1:8-9, or in 2 Corinthians 11:4-11, or in 2 Timothy 3:13-17? Why
>does Paul praise the Bereans in Acts 17:11? Is it not the case that any
>truth revealed to someone by God's Spirit ought to be in harmony with the
>Bible and defensible from the Bible? So why is it that when someone asks a
>"biblical question" you not only don't reason from the Bible, or about the
>Bible, but only give an answer based mainly on secular usage, and then when
>I attempt to give a correct answer from the Bible and about the Bible you
>accuse me of attacking you, and your gender, and assert that because God's
>Spirit has given you insight you don't need to reference the Bible? If we
>are not to bring the Bible into the discussion when someone asks a 
>"biblical
>question," then when on earth would it be appropriate to do so?
>
>I have too much respect for women to attribute your whole approach and
>attitude here to your gender. I deny that your gender has anything to do
>with it. A massive chip on one's shoulder and falling short in the area of
>allowing one's thinking to be reformed by God's Spirit to more perfectly
>conform to God's Word -- those I might buy as possible explanations, but
>gender? No.
>
>-- Princess Sushitushi
>
>keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Uh-oh -- I'm beginning to wonder if I've committed the sin of "preaching
> >while female."
> >
> >I don't stand by my answer because I'm stubborn, but because I'm 
>confident
> >I answered the question correctly.  But it's not my brain, my backbone, 
>or
> >my ovaries, that give me confidence -- it's God's Spirit.  I believe I
> >grasped the essence of Roger's question, and I thank him for asking it.
> >
> >keely
> >
> >
> >From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Biblical question
> >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:36:21 +0000
> >
> >Dear Keely,
> >
> >Actually, I was concerned about right theology; after all, the question 
>was
> >a BIBLICAL question. Believe me, if you had given an answer that made
> >biblical sense I would not have uttered a peep. Perhaps you can stand by
> >your answer insofar as non-Christians' everyday use of language is
> >concerned, but if you want to give a biblical answer to a biblical 
>question
> >you need to be prepared to think in terms of what the Bible actually
> >teaches.
> >
> >-- Princess Sushitushi
> >
> >"keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I attempted to answer Roger's question simply . . .
> > >. . .  I'm not jockeying to be "head theologian" on Vision 2020, and I
> > >think that the Princess' response had less to do with any concern about
> > >right theology than with wanting to refute me -- to show that I'm once
> > >again "mixed up."
> > >
> > >I stand by my answer and wish the Princess a lovely day.
> > >
> > >keely
> >
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