[Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Mon Dec 11 06:14:38 PST 2006 

As far as I know, Foley did not have sexual relationships with any of the 
pages.  This does not seem to be for lack of effort, but I don't believe the 
issue is one of his having sex with pages.  It is one of his peers knowing 
his behaviour was inappropriate and failing to take action.

Pat, the Democrats should investigate Jefferson, and not pass any 
Congressional rules making such investigations more difficult, such as were 
passed by the Rs in the last session.

Sunil


>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>, "'vision2020'" 
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:46:49 -0800
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>You really don't get it, do you, gc and pk?
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>Monica Lewinsky is, and was at the time of her relationship with Bill
>Clinton, an adult.  The UNDER AGE pages were not.  The sexual relationships
>between Foley and his page(s) were criminal.  The sexual relationship
>between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was not criminal.
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>Perhaps you can have Steve Sitler explain this to you.
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>Tom Hansen
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>Moscow, Idaho
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>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used
>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
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>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:50 PM
>To: vision2020
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
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>Or between a page and a congressman? If Miss Lewinski was a fair target why
>not pages??
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>----- Original Message -----
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>From: g. crabtree <mailto:jampot at adelphia.net>
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>To: Paul Rumelhart <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>  ; vision2020 at moscow.com
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>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:19 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
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>Why is the relationship between former President Clinton and Ms. Lewinski
>"consensual" when the tryst between a collage professor and a student is
>not? A boss and an underling? A guard and a prisoner? I was of the
>impression that any time there was such a huge disparity between the status
>of two people with regard to their stations in life that the concept of
>"consent" became at best vague and at worst unattainable. What divide could
>be greater than the gulf between a 23 year old naif and the nearly twice 
>her
>age leader of the free world? I would content that the gulf between them 
>far
>exceeds that of the rift between a 17 year old girl and her 21 year old boy
>friend and we all know where that lack of restraint leads. While the actual
>acts that occurred in and near the oval office may have been technically
>legal, there is no doubt that the concept of abuse is not out of the
>question. What is also certain is that it was an absurdly ill considered,
>vulgar, and characterless move on the part of someone who might reasonably
>have been expected to know better, even by liberal democrats. I very much
>agree with Tony in that when Ms. Lewinski looks back on this glittering
>moment in the spotlight it won't be with pride.
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>g
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>----- Original Message -----
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>From: Paul Rumelhart <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
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>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:25 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
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>Tony,
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>You keep trying to frame this as "abuse".  It's not abuse when you have
>consentual sex with somebody regardless of what form it may take.  I
>understand not liking the man because he was being adulterous or sexually
>depraved because of this, but let's not bring such emotionally-charged 
>words
>as "abuse" into this without some kind of evidence to back it up.
>
>Paul
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>Tony wrote:
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>After that last post regarding Clinton's abuse of Monica Lewinski, It
>occurred to me that those with little knowledge of the Clinton fiasco might
>misunderstand my reference to his documented behaviors.  I am concerned 
>that
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>some youngsters, unaware of the specifics of Clinton's abuse, might think I
>was using a slang term for the male reproductive organ when I reported that
>Clinton apparently inserted his cigar into intern Lewinski's private spot.
>In the interest of accuracy and out of respect for today's youth and their
>right to an accurate account of history, let me be clear:  Former President
>Clinton was reported to have inserted a cigar, the kind he periodically
>smoked, into the aforementioned intern.  He was also reported to have
>received oral sex while discussing sensitive national security issues with
>congressman via phone.
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>Boys and girls, the left does not want you to learn what a depraved creep
>Clinton was.  They adore him because he pushed for their political issues
>and causes so they deliberately ignored his abuse of woman.  Said abuse 
>also
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>included several accusations or RAPE.  I support the right of today's youth
>to be informed rather than manipulated, so the next time you hear about 
>what
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>a great guy ole Clinton was, you can refer to this message for the truth.
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>Just hit print and thank me later.
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>Peace out,    -T
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tony"  <mailto:tonytime at clearwire.net> <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>To:  <mailto:nickgier at adelphia.net> <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>Cc:  <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
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>Just as there will always be those who insisted on abandoning the South
>Vietnamese and Cambodians to communist tyranny, there will always be those
>who deny the written historical record regarding our liberation of Iraq.
>
>Clinton, a clinical, megalomaniacal psychopath, hasn't a sincere bone in
>his
>body and would only consider the views of a minister in a short skirt.
>Bush
>rallied the American patriots with his Patton-esque "bring them on."  It
>was
>a great piece of leadership, reminiscent of Churchill.  Bush is every bit
>as
>intelligent and astute as some socially isolated, outcast egghead on the
>Palouse.
>
>The difference between President Bush and clinton is that Bush would have
>told Monica to pull her skirt back up and act like a lady.  Clinton, the
>juvinile left's beloved icon, humiliated her for LIFE when he inserted his
>cigar in her vagina and after otherwise violating his trust, then DENIED
>his
>responsibility before her and the American People.  Clinton was and will
>always be a sick male of BAD CHARACTER, undeserving of respect even from
>those willing to enable his abuse of woman in order to realize their own
>selfish political goals.
>
>"In America, anybody can be a college professor.  It's one of the risks
>you
>take."       -T
>----- Original Message -----
>From:  <mailto:nickgier at adelphia.net> <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>To: "J Ford"  <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com> <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>Cc:  <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner Swarmed in Hanoi
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>Greetings:
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>Just as there will always be those who say that the Johnson did not lie
>and deceive (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, one specific), there will always
>be those who will always say that the Bush administration did not
>misrepresent and deceive about Iraq, even when the facts are clear that
>it
>did.
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>Clinton admitted that he had made a mistake and sought forgiveness and
>repentence with his minister.  Bush only regrets that he said "bring them
>on," but nothing else.  He said that it was not a very sophisticated
>thing
>to say, but when has this simpleton ever said anything of substance?
>
>This is the great moral difference between these two men, and that is why
>Clinton is admired around the world. and in two years Bush will not dare
>appear in a completely public forum in any capital in the world. Crawford
>will be a nice refuge for him, and many will say "good riddance," an
>immature and ill informed man who became president because of his name.
>
>World opinion is a powerful force and it will take decades for us to
>rebuild our reputation and credibility in the world.
>
>Nick Gier
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