[Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer, Innocent Girls, Strong Women
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 9 19:31:38 PST 2006
Also, just to put it in perspective...
On the one hand you have a dubious foundation for an extremely expensive
war that has divided our country and that has laid the foundation for
the erosion of our civil liberties. Not to mention hundreds of billions
in cost and thousands of lives taken (ours and theirs) and who knows how
many lives affected in an extended way (such as injuries, deaths of
loved ones, etc).
On the other you have... sex. Consentual sex.
I don't care who is screwing who, as long as the people at the top are
trying to look out for my best interests. Why did our President, who is
supposed to be a representative of the people who is taking on a burden
in exchange for doing some good for the country, become a spiritual
leader?
Paul
keely emerinemix wrote:
> I have great pity for Monica Lewinsky, but she wasn't spirited off a
> farm in the remote reaches of Latvia, complete with chloroform hankie
> and blinders, by jackbooted Secret Servicemen on Operation Gullible
> Girl. A woman who would flash her thong at the Prez isn't some
> innocent uber-virgin caught up in her first trip to the big city,
> confused by the itinerary for the AWANA finals and the Deb Courtship
> Social.
>
> Further, I don't see the expediency behind Hillary's decision to stay
> with Clinton. She has caught and is catching hell from both her
> enemies and her allies, and no one would argue that Hillary isn't
> smart enough to find success. At worse, she'd be seen as the world's
> most powerful displaced homemaker; at best, an Ivy-league educated
> lawyer and political genius with a name and income of her own.
>
> It's not like she'd just be a failed oilman/baseball team
> owner/Harvard legacy admission dilettante or anything . . .
>
> One other thing, Tony: my morals weren't formed in the 60s, the end
> of which found me in the fourth grade, but by a life whose first half
> saw enough to welcome the perspective offered by the second.
>
> keely
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:09:40 -0800
>
> Keely, according to you, Monica Lewinski was not a victim of abuse at
> Clinton's hands. Pause for a moment and try to imagine Monica's
> grandchildren reading grandma's obit some 60 years from now. How do
> you think this woman will be remembered by history? She will forever
> be the accommodating humidor in the red dress. Forever humiliated
> just so Clinton could get his rocks off. He was a chronologically
> mature man in a position of power who violated his public trust by
> responding inappropriately to the immature and personally tragic
> advances of an immature youngster - a youngster who will pay for the
> rest of her life at the hands of a snickering society.
>
> Just so President Bubba could...........
>
> You bizarrely accuse republicans of being fixated on sex, but Keely, I
> believe Clinton and his entire party, which exonerated him, were
> DEMOCRATS. It is you self absorbed sixties brats who are fixated my dear.
>
> And please don't insult the communities intelligence. Hillary stayed
> in that relationship for ONE REASON: political expediency. The
> Clintons are about as pro family as Larry Flint.
>
> Try creamer in your coffee.
>
> -T
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>
>
>> I voted for Clinton both times, well aware that Ms. Lewinsky was not
>> a victim of abuse. Stupidity, yes. Sin, uh-huh. But abuse? Nope.
>> Further, I voted for him while wanting to slap him silly for acting
>> like a knuckle-dragging lech.
>>
>> I believe, Tony, that most men in power have glaring, if not
>> altogether obvious, faults. This is no less tragic for being true,
>> and yet the Republican Party's four-year fixation on sexual sins and
>> the resulting cost to the nation of said fixation certainly doesn't
>> earn them a moral pass. Each woman, each man, is responsible to God
>> for their conduct. However, certain areas of bad conduct are less
>> dangerous to the nation than others, and the idea that Bill Clinton
>> introduced adultery to the Presidency is ludicrous.
>>
>> By the way, Hillary Clinton chose to forgive her husband and stay in
>> a marriage that most would find absolutely unworkable -- please let
>> me know how it is that I missed the accolades showered on her by the
>> "pro-family" crowd. Keeping the family intact, raising a relatively
>> trouble-free daughter, seeking pastoral counsel and, I hope,
>> exercising repentance and forgiveness seem to be things the religious
>> right would embrace. Or did I add a shot of naive to my morning
>> coffee????
>>
>> keely
>>
>>
>> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>> CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 07:05:30 -0800
>>
>> Glad to have you acknowledge Clinton's moral bankrupsy Keely. Do
>> remember though, that millions were not spent to investigate his
>> abuse of a long list of woman, but rather to determine if the
>> degenerate was committing felony perjury in reference to it. He was.
>> I'm curious.... did you vote for Bubba the second time around even
>> though you were aware of his abuse of woman?
>>
>> Intrigued, -T
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>;
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>
>>
>>> For the record, I believe that marriage vows are of the utmost
>>> importance. I don't believe, however, that millions of dollars
>>> should have been spent investigating what surely isn't the only
>>> instance of adultery -- and once again, I'm against adultery -- by a
>>> President.
>>>
>>> keely
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>> To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 20:19:32 -0800
>>>
>>> J, your response to my criticism of Bill Clinton's adultery is just
>>> plain
>>> sick. Why are you and Keely so glib about Clinton's decision to
>>> break the
>>> vows he took to his wife before God? Why does his commission of a
>>> felony
>>> cause you no concern? How would you feel had your husband done the
>>> same?
>>> Have you no grasp of right and wrong?
>>>
>>> Fascinating!
>>>
>>> -T
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>>
>>>
>>> > Ah yes, but giving Tony that kind of "action" would only encourage
>>> his
>>> > bloated-sense-of-self-worth-to-women a big, em, thrust.
>>> >
>>> > 'Course, no one said anything about it having to be a women that
>>> does >
>>> the
>>> > deed...could be an intern that accommodates his more baser needs,
>>> which
>>> he
>>> > continues to express he has, here on the list.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > J :]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>At the risk of being terribly crude and thus offending some of you,
>>> Tony's
>>> >>comments remind me of a T-shirt about our president that I saw in a
>>> >>catalog
>>> >>recently --
>>> >>
>>> >>"Will someone please give this guy a blowjob so we can impeach
>>> him???"
>>> >>
>>> >>Blushing, but wondering how much shipping and handling would be,
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>> >>To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>>> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>> >>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:38:37 -0800
>>> >>
>>> >>Nick, in response to your question about where George bush will be
>>> swarmed
>>> >>by admirers: He will be welcomed anywhere men and woman of
>>> character >>are
>>> >>valued. Clinton was NOT a man of good character. He boffed an
>>> intern,
>>> >>making a mockery of his marriage and then committed felony perjury
>>> >>afterward. Bush has acted as an honorable gentleman since taking the
>>> oath
>>> >>of office -- the assessment of his misguided critics notwithstanding.
>>> >>
>>> >>Hope that helps with your confusion.
>>> >>
>>> >>Merry Christmas, -T
>>> >>----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>>> >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:42 AM
>>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Clinton Swarmed in Hanoi
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Greetings:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Someone on this list predicted that Bush would be swarmed
>>> whereever
>>> men
>>> >>of
>>> >> > character are admired. I would like to know where that foreign
>>> >> > place
>>> >> > would be?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Nick Gier
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Admirers Swarm Former Clinton in Hanoi
>>> >> > Wednesday, December 6, 2006 8:08 AM EST
>>> >> > The Associated Press
>>> >> > By BEN STOCKING
>>> >> >
>>> >> > HANOI, Vietnam (AP) â?" Former President Clinton was swarmed for
>>> >>autographs,
>>> >> > handshakes and photographs on the streets of Hanoi Wednesday by
>>> throngs
>>> >>of
>>> >> > admirers whose warm welcome contrasted sharply with the restrained
>>> >> > reception given President Bush last month.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Clinton, in town to sign an agreement between his foundation
>>> and the
>>> >> > Vietnamese to get more AIDS drugs to children, left the Hilton
>>> Hotel
>>> in
>>> >> > the center of Hanoi, crossed an intersection buzzing with >> >
>>> motorbikes,
>>> >>and
>>> >> > strolled toward Hoan Kiem Lake, the spiritual heart of the city.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The United States normalized relations with its former foe under
>>> >>Clinton,
>>> >> > who was greeted by adoring crowds when in 2000 he became the first
>>> U.S.
>>> >> > president to visit Vietnam since the war ended in 1975.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "It feels great to be back," Clinton said as he set off for his
>>> stroll.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The feeling among most Vietnamese was mutual.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "I love you!" a young man shouted, reaching over the crowd for a
>>> >> > handshake.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "There are no words to describe how happy I am," squealed >> >
>>> 17-year-old
>>> >> > Nguyen Thu Hang, jumping up and down and clutching Clinton's
>>> freshly
>>> >> > signed autograph. "I'm going to frame this and hang it on my
>>> bedroom
>>> >> > wall!"
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Bush didn't emerge from inside tight security to mingle with
>>> crowds
>>> >>during
>>> >> > his four-day visit to attend the 21-nation Asia-Pacific Economic
>>> >> > Cooperation summit.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Outside of official meetings, the president's touring included
>>> a >> >> > >
>>> visit
>>> >>to
>>> >> > Vietnam's stock exchange, where he struck a gong to open a day of
>>> >>trading.
>>> >> > He then met with a group of Vietnamese and American businessmen.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Clinton came to Hanoi to sign an agreement with the Vietnamese
>>> >>government
>>> >> > under which his Clinton Foundation will increase the amount of
>>> >> > pediatric
>>> >> > drugs it is providing to Vietnamese children living with HIV
>>> and >> >> > >
>>> AIDS.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The foundation provided medicine for 400 children in 2006, but
>>> plans
>>> to
>>> >> > triple the number of children it is helping by the end of 2007.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Followed by Secret Service agents and Vietnamese police, Clinton
>>> >> > stopped
>>> >> > along a half-mile route to chat with his Vietnamese admirers
>>> before
>>> >>making
>>> >> > his way to an art gallery in Hanoi's Old Quarter and then to
>>> the >> > tomb
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > Ho Chi Minh, who led Vietnam's communist revolution.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > After he and Health Minister Tran Thi Trung Chien signed the >> >
>>> pediatric
>>> >> > AIDS agreement, Clinton took part in a discussion about AIDS with
>>> >>several
>>> >> > university students and a young woman living with HIV.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The Vietnamese government estimates that 260,000 Vietnamese people
>>> were
>>> >> > infected with HIV last year, but public health experts think the
>>> actual
>>> >> > number is higher. In Vietnam, most infections are linked to
>>> intravenous
>>> >> > drug use and unprotected sex for money.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The Clinton Foundation's activities are being financed by
>>> UNITAID, >> > an
>>> >> > organization formed by France and 19 other nations that have >> >
>>> earmarked
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > small portion of their airline tax revenues for HIV/AIDS
>>> programs in
>>> >> > developing countries.
>>> >> >
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