[Vision2020] Heirdoug's hero

[debismith at moscow.com]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Paul.

 Any form of spirituality which adds decency, joy, comfort, and peace to the world is fine by 
me.

Religions which think they have a lock on the only and absolute truth bother me. Not because I 
think they shouldn't believe so, because I want folks free to believe what they choose in their 
access of deity. I'm bothered by their unwillingness to allow others to worship as they choose, 
to allow for difference in needs and ways of access, and the frequent vilification and mockery 
which goes along with believing one has the only correct forms for interacting spiritually. These 
are the folks I have difficulty respecting. 

Besides, he also spelled my name incorrectly, in among his many misspellings, poor 
punctuation, and pathetic parody.....
Debi R-S


Date sent:      	Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:27:56 -0800
From:           	Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To:             	vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject:        	Re: [Vision2020] Heirdoug's hero

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Aside from the irony of jumping down someone's throat about spelling
while mispelling the words "meant" and "altar", there is a lot of
arrogance in this post.

I can be considered a pagan (it's complicated).  I've done the
requisite christian-sanctioned praying, and felt no response.  This
moved me to try other paths, and I have had success with various
non-traditional methods of feeling energies and so forth, though
having face-to-face chats with gods hasn't ever been a big goal of
mine.  Just like in the military, I think it's best to go unnoticed
most of the time.

This doesn't lead me to believe that christianity is wrong, however,
it's just wrong for me.  I believe, basically, that the System is too
complex for us to be able to easily understand.  Apparent paradoxes
and contradictions only appear so because we lack the perspective with
which to see the ways to resolve them.

I believe in the concept of the many-faceted jewel.  Different
religious sects see different facets of the same thing, with more or
less clarity of vision than others.  Individuals see other facets. 

Thus, mocking other's methods of worship is short-sighted as well as
simply rude.  I'm assuming with no evidence to back me up that
heirdoug has gotten some kind of response from *his* god.  If so,
that's wonderful.  However, it's just plain arrogant to assume that
people of other religions don't ever get a response from their
deities.  Just my opinion, of course.

Paul

Not offended, just amazed at people's perspectives at times...

heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:

>-----Original Message-----
>From: debismith at moscow.com
>
>"And I pray to my diety"
>
>Debie,
>
>First off I think you ment to say deity and not diety. If you mean to
> pray to your "god" and not your south beach diet, let me help you
>with your prayers...
>
>1. Prepare a place on a high spot and make an alter.
>2. Call on the name of your god from morning until noon saying, "O
>Baal, answer us." 3. Leap about the altar which you have made. 4.
>Call out with a loud voice, for he/she is a god and should hear you.
>5. From noon until the evening, cry with a loud voice and cut and
>tattoo yourself according to your custom with swords and lances until
> the blood gushes out. 6. When you have done all this listen to the
>silence... either your god is occupied in the toilet or is on a
>journey or perhaps he/she is asleep and needs to be awakened... 7.
>Repeat steps 1-6 till you get an answer...
>
>lemeno, Doug!
>
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