[Vision2020] trashy people?
Pennsylvania Place
penn_place_boise at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 31 13:31:38 PDT 2006
This is just absolutely baffling. "Text analysis"? I must say I am a bit concerned that this "Shirley Pissdoff" person writes like me, since I only started looking at vision 20/20 about a month and a half ago.
There's obviously no way to counter your accusations without revealing my secret identity, which I am not about to do because of my involvement with the university. And I am quickly learning that having ANYTHING nice to say about Kirkers rewards you with false accusations. And I'm wondering how many of you are friends with Karl Johnson, because my Palouse Properties complaint seems to have ruffled some feathers.
I don't give a crap about West of Paris because I'm a vegan, and the last time I checked French food was full of cheese and meat. I don't go to Bucer's, either, because it makes me feel creepy to be surrounded by bearded mean who aren't wearing hiking boots.
Palouse Properties is run by slum lords. Did you know ol' Dan "Sticky Fingers" Schoenburg is working there now? The Beach is a trashy place - I don't care what anyone says, we don't need businesses with blacked-out windows on a prominent corner of downtown.
There are many wonderful Moscow businesses NOT run by Kirkers: One World, the Natural Abode, Bookpeople, the Co-Op, Paradise Creek Bicycles, just to name a few.
But I think that devoting so much energy to hating the Kirkers is not the best use of ANY liberal Muscovite's time... as soon as Pastor Wilson dies or gets caught en flagrante with an NSA student, the whole thing will self-destruct. Lets devote ourselves to bike paths and things like that to attract good people to move here.
I have no idea who Mike Hoffman is, except that I've seen his name mentioned here.
I know who Bennett is, and I put her in the same boat as Palouse Properties - big apartment complexes with no trees and the ugliest siding possible. And she's a liar, too, and a Super Wal-Mart fan, doesn't that say enough about her?
Penny
Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
Thank you Shirley Pissdoff. A text/style software analysis of your messages and Shirley's is quite revealing.
Not drugs this time but, pissing on several businesses you don't like and social groups you look down upon to make your cult members look at least a bit innocuous and acceptable. Isn't this a bit like asking: Which would you rather be bitten by: An asp or a rattle snake? I think you really should continue to use this tactic -- it is quite informative about your outlook on yourself and others.
What are you trying to divert attention from this time:
The West of Paris potentially fatal PR fiasco?
The relationships of the Cultmaster to the various parties involved in the Jamin Wight criminal sex scandal/crime?
What happened immediately after Sitler was first discovered to be an active sexual predator in a home in which he was placed by the Cultmaster?
The various relationships of the Cultmaster with Shelly Bennett and similar persons?
The problems of Mike Hoffman and their entanglement with the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine?
The sale/exchange of real estate without 1099s being filed or correct capital gains taxes being paid?
Roy Atwood's not so secret activities while at the UI and possibly now at NSA?
Etc?
Please enlighten us, Shirley -- we don't buy your denial, especially after the text analyses (nor do many of us doubt your true identity -- cowardice is often found in egomaniacs and megalomaniacs).
Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Pennsylvania Place
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] trashy people?
My goodness, take a molehill and build it into a mountain, why don't you. Have you ever heard the expression "figure of speech"?
I have nothing against poor people (I *am* poor, for that matter), or people who are rural (I grew up on a farm!) or live in trailers. I was using a popular expression to describe a certain type of person. I'm talking about meth-heads and sex offenders here, not single moms and hard-luck hard-working people.
But I won't take back what I've said. I'd rather be looked down on by Kirkers than panhandled by psycho drunks. But I suppose now you'll rise in defense of psycho drunks who panhandle.
Penny
keely emerinemix wrote: Huh.
You post that you prefer the "class" of bigots to "Latah County trailer
trash" and yet are surprised at the response? And my observation that with
an attitude like that, you likely aren't invited out too much qualifies as
"venom"?
Gee, I'd like to live in your world.
No, pal, "white trash" isn't OK, either. I may be just a bundle o'
sentiment and goo here, but people aren't trash. Ever. And whatever
circumstances guide their housing options -- maybe they have acreage, maybe
they're poor, maybe they like the cabinetry options in the triple-wide more
than those in the stick-built -- should not be subject to your withering,
but cowardly anonymous, judgment. Sorry you had a rough experience renting
in Moscow, but your attitude suggests you'll have a much more difficult time
living in Moscow. Or anywhere else, for that matter.
keely
From: Pennsylvania Place
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
Wow, I should have remained a lurker. I've seen some of the venom on 20/20,
and didn't think my comments would provoke such nastiness.
Ok, I did not mean to denigrate anyone living in a trailer. I should have
said "white trash." Are there no terms of insult left?
The point I was trying to make... poorly... is that many people come to
Moscow from different parts of the state and the country, and although I
love local earth-friendly businesses like the Co-Op and Paradise Creek
Bicycles and One World Cafe, I feel that the arrival of snobby Kirker
merchants has helped raise the bar for Moscow.
I am not saying I approve of Pastor Wilson or his philosophy - but I do
think that a) Bucer's helped wake some Muscovites up to the fact that
businesses like Cafe Spudnik and the coffee place that was where Papa John's
now is filled a vital role, and that residents NEED cool cafes and hangouts
downtown; and b) I'd rather have NSA located downtown than the empty GTE
building.
Do I like the NSA/Kirker thing? No. But at least they have class, and
they seem to have provoked the community in a positive direction. I grew up
in Southern Idaho, and the Kirkers are far less offensive to me than the
Mormons that controlled my hometown - at least the Kirkers drink alcohol and
enjoy wild sex (at least if some of their blogs are to be believed).
Penny
keely emerinemix wrote:
OK, Penn, you deserve a double shot of my ire.
"Trailer trash"? Is that the way you see your community -- your neighbors
are either "bigots" with nice stores, or "Latah County trailer trash"?
Really? Is there something about living in a modular or mobile home that
makes people unworthy of your esteem? And are you so needy of fab downtown
shopping experiences that you would excuse what you call bigotry? Are
people so easily categorized? Dismissed? Embraced?
Might I be correct in guessing that you don't get invited out much?
Somehow, in the course of two posts, you've managed to show yourself not to
be one of Moscow's finest citizens, and I can say that no matter where you
live.
keely
From: Pennsylvania Place
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
You know, I understand why people have problems with Kirkers and NSA
folks... I myself have dealt with a young elitist married couple that could
not have been more insincere and fake to me and my family dispite our
efforts to be neighborly.
That said - I really *do* admire how the Kirker/NSA element is helping to
class up Moscow. I do not patronize their businesses, but it is nice to have
clean, sharp stores and restaurants on Main Street. Not everyone in this
town - even young adults - want to shop at the stupid mall or college
student holes like the Pita Pit or Papa Johns.
I'll take elitist snobs over Latah County trailer trash any day of the
week, even if they are bigots. At least their stores are nice. They have
good
Penny
David wrote: Ooooohhhhh, creepy again. BTW JFord, did you get a good,
comprehensive list
of everyone who's been to West of Paris?
>From: "J Ford"
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:29:31 -0700
>
>A. You, Doug F, do NOT have a license to do construction work, electrical
>work, engineering work...basically you have a license to drive and I
>seriously question the wisdom of providing you that.
>
>B. You are listed as having a "legit" business which the Moscow Chamber of
>Commerce says they "highly recommend" and are "proud to (have) as a member
>of the Moscow Chamber of Commerce" because you provide "quality services
>and products." The State of Idaho thought that was interesting since you
>licenses expired in 2005 and they have NO new application for you on file
-
>ever.
>
>C. Your contracting license (20186) expired on 7-31-2005 and your
>Journeyman's license (19675) expired on 31 Aug 2005. So you saying you
>have done "demolition work for Mike Hoffman" and you doing any kind of
>electrical work and having your picture on web sites SHOWING you doing any
>kind of electrical work is just wrong. As is having your name listed in
>the Chamber of Commerce's MOST recent listing of businesses and your name
>being WILLINGLY listed on a permit for electrical work on Mike Hoffman's
>yet to be purchased building on Main street is just wrong.
>
>See: http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/213_Main_Elec_App.htm and
>http://www.moscowchamber.com/Pages/ChamberMembers.asp?Letter=H
>
>So maybe your "getting a life" is the wrong thing to say....mayhap people
>should be saying "get a lawyer". For someone that espouses to be Christian
>and a follower of Christ's to be doing such obviously illegal things
should
>be seeking the advice of a pastor. Too bad your church doesnae have one
>you could turn to in such times.
>
>Oh, and if you think Paul Kimmell taking your name down off the MCC web
>site is going to help your case - it won't. Just like having your picture
>taken off the other web site didnae help you...copies are easily made.
>Just like your e-mails where you "confess" to be doing this type of work.
>
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Tom Hansen"
>>To: , , ,
>>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
>>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:03:25 -0700
>>
>>Good, NC -
>>
>>Glad to hear you have a life. Be gentle with it, though. Or else,
>>"Comb-Over" will want it back.
>>
>>Tommy Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
>>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
>>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly
>>used
>>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:14 AM
>>To: idahotom at hotmail.com; heirdoug at netscape.net; kjajmix1 at msn.com;
>>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
>>
>>Tommy,
>>
>>I got one! I also have a life!
>>
>>Doug!
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: idahotom at hotmail.com
>>To: heirdoug at netscape.net; kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Sent: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 5:46 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
>>
>>Lemon-O "No Clue" Farris -
>>
>>You really ought to get a day job.
>>
>>Now, off with you to the sand box. Your buddies , Arnold and dick
>>Sherwin, await you. You boys can play "Show and Tell" or you could
>>discuss knocking "heads" off while you extend something. You know. We
>>really should put that "Adults Only" sign back up.
>>
>>Question, though, NC - Exactly what do you do at Heirloom Electric?
>>Nothing that requires a license I hope?
>>
>>Tom Hansen Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> >From: heirdoug at netscape.net >To: kjajmix1 at msn.com,
vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:31:16
>>-0400 > >Keely, > >I do have one question with regard to the apology you
>>are giving to
>>all >of the fine folks here. > >Am I supposed to extend forgiveness to
you
>>for biting my head off or >for you getting caught biting my head off or
>>for you biting my head
>>off >without cause knowing that there may be a cause later on? Let me
know
>> >and I will gladly extend it. > >Doug!
>>
>>
>>
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