[Vision2020] True remarks on KUOI broadcast

Tue Aug 29 11:19:18 PDT 2006

Yes, BL but how is it murdered to provide you with your steak?

-----Original Message-----
From: london at moscow.com
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] True remarks on KUOI broadcast

D-
this is really getting stupid.
you are searching the Co-op newsletter archives and finding old info 
about former suppliers.
you are asking me to admit that animals are actually killed for their 
meat.
whether you stop or not with this, I am done.  this "discussion" is 
going nowhere.
The bottom line -- the ONLY meat sold at the Moscow Food Co-op is 
humanely raised.  Period.
BL

----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Bill London ; Tim Lohrmann
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Kenna S. Eaton
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] True remarks on KUOI broadcast

Bill,

The Co-OP ALSO gets meat 
(http://www.moscowfood.coop/archive/meats.html) from Mission Valley of 
Montana. (www.montananaturalbeef.com)

According to their website, and your newspaper they are lot fed before 
they are slaughtered.

(http://www.moscowfood.coop/archive/bcr.html)

The Alderspring Ranch, that you mentioned, is just ONE source of meat 
out of MANY that the Co-Op buys product from, but probably the best.

You also failed to respond to the question of how the animals are 
slaughtered. My guess is because you know the answer to that but don't 
want to say in public.

But it is nice to know that you like the family that slaughters and lot 
feeds the animals. That is a bonus. But I don't think it address or is 
relevant to the issues or makes the slaughter and lot feeding not true.

Bill, why don't you use your influence to change the wrongs rather than 
avoid the question and attempt to mislead the public and cover it up?

Best,

_DJA

Bill London <london at moscow.com> wrote: D-
I should remember the old adage, "don't get into a pissing match with a 
skunk."  But here I go, it's time to remind you about the difference 
between truth and falsehood.
You levelled a false accusation at the Moscow Food Co-op.  The Co-op 
sells only meat raised in line with humane standards. Period.  For you 
to say otherwise is a lie.
And now you are repeating that same lie.
You offer one website article in support of your claim (you cite -- 
http://www.moscowfood.coop/archive/bcr.html).  That article originally 
appeared in the Co-op's newsletter and focused on the Co-op selling 
Alderspring Ranch beef.
Here is the relevant paragraph from that article:
The first person I contacted was Glenn Elzinga at Alderspring Ranch in 
Tendoy, Idaho. I immediately liked him and was very impressed with his 
ranch. Alderspring is a family-owned and operated ranch. The cattle are 
fed only on pasture. They are never finished on grain; this raises the 
levels of omega-3 fatty acids and CLA. They are as close to organic as 
you can get (and are working toward certification). Most importantly, 
Pam assured me the beef tastes amazing. Glenn is coming to Moscow 
sometime during the first week of January to bring our first order and 
sample his product and talk about his ranch. You can find out more on 
his website www.alderspring.com.
  BL

----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Bill London ; Tim Lohrmann
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Kenna S. Eaton
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] True remarks on KUOI broadcast

Bill,

If these animals are humanely slaughtered, assuming there is such a 
thing, then why not give the members of V2020 a detailed description of 
how the cattle and animals on Alderspring Ranch are killed?

Tell, me Bill, are the tails of the cows that give milk and used to 
make cheese chopped off making them more susceptible to disease and 
illness?

Are the layer chickens that give you your eggs confined to a small area?

How are the broiler chickens killed?

Are the cattle at Mission Valley of Montana forced to eat in lot feeds, 
the article in your paper says they are? Look yourself,

http://www.moscowfood.coop/archive/bcr.html

 Is your paper lying, or are you treating these animals cruelly? Which 
is it?

I am fairly certain Mr. London, you will find, if you do some research 
that while the Co-Op does it less than most, it still buys from 
producers that abuse and slaughter animals, especially if you use the 
definitions of PETA, which is what we were discussing on KUOI.  The 
animals are slaughtered, they don't die of natural causes. Nor are they 
given pain killers before being killed. 

So show me where I am wrong Bill, your own paper testifies to what I am 
saying.If this is wrong, give us a video clip of how pigs meet their 
death before being served up to the people of the Moscow?

Also, maybe you can answer this question, why does the Co-OP charge 3 x 
as much for something as everyone else in Moscow, even when it is the 
exact same product?

You wrote:

"Shoppers who purchase meat at the Moscow Food Co-op can be assured 
that the utmost care has been taken to ensure that the meat has been 
carefully and humanely grown."

Meat is grown? Like potatoes? That is new to me.

Tell the Co-Op you don't want fedlot cattle. This is the same method 
used by factory farms. It is unclean and inhumane to the animals.

Best,

_DJA

Bill London <london at moscow.com> wrote: During Tim 
Lohrmann's KUOI interview show with Megan Prusynski on Sunday, a caller 
(later identified as Donovan Arnold) said that the Moscow Food Co-op 
sold meat that had been inhumanely raised.

That is absolutely false.

The Moscow Food Co-op is extremely diligent in checking the sources of 
the meat sold there.  Every source is documented.  Scott Jaklin (meat 
manager) has files of reports and affidavits for verification, if 
anyone wants to see them.

Shoppers who purchase meat at the Moscow Food Co-op can be assured that 
the utmost care has been taken to ensure that the meat has been 
carefully and humanely grown.

BL
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