[Vision2020] West of Paris

Fri Aug 25 20:40:58 PDT 2006

Ms. Lund, while your disappointment in me will leave no lasting scars, I 
would be mildly interested to know what, exactly, it is that I posted that 
further lowered your already negative opinion of me. My original post was to 
congratulate a man for going his own way. Perhaps you could cite the actual 
things I wrote that bothered you. If you think that in my remarks to Joe, I 
was unintentionally hard on Ms. Prusynski, Please know that I am only too 
willing to take her at her word that she has no agenda with regard to 
anything other than the animal issue itself. When "Art", "Ford", and hansen 
along with the other usual suspects jump on the subject, forgive me if my 
antenna starts to twitch. I am curious to know what I might have said that 
was out of character or not up to my usual low level of discourse. I don't 
mind being reviled, I just prefer to know why.

gc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
To: "'Megan Prusynski'" <megan at meganpru.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Cc: "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at adelphia.net>; <austinstorm at gmail.com>; 
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] West of Paris

> Very well said, Megan -- thank you.
>
> And since you've now become familiar with the strategy of some Visionaries
> to hurl around empty accusations, I'm going to take this opportunity to
> address a couple.
>
> Austin Storm:  your unkind accusations on Courtney's blog were brought to 
> my
> attention.  Just to set the record straight for you -- although I've no
> confidence you care about real facts -- and for Mr. Crabtree (whom I'm
> genuinely disappointed in) and any others, I was absolutely sincere when I
> wrote that I debated long & hard about whether to post on V2020 about West
> of Paris serving foie gras.
>
> Indeed, had West of Paris *not* been affiliated with Christ Church, there
> would have been *no* debate for me:  I'd have posted the info in a New 
> York
> minute rather than debating with myself about it for a couple of days. 
> Had
> my best friend been opening a restaurant that would be serving foie gras,
> I'd have posted about it with no internal debate.  If were *anyone* other
> than someone affiliated with the Kirk that was serving foie gras in a
> restaurant, I'd have posted immediately.  Anyone who knows me knows this
> about me -- my passion and activism for animal welfare long predates the
> Kirk hierarchy running amok in Moscow.
>
> Quite frankly, I knew the Kirk apologists would attempt to turn this into
> something it's not, just as they *always* do.  Smoke & mirrors are the 
> only
> defense they can muster.
>
> West of Paris' abhorrent choice to serve foie gras has NOTHING TO DO WITH
> any perceived religious persecution.  It has to do with perpetuating the
> absolutely unconscionable and wholly unnecessary mistreatment of non-human
> animals.
>
> Please, folks, let's keep the focus where it rightly belongs.
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Megan Prusynski
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:24 AM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
>
> Actually I had no idea where the restaurant was located or that it was
> affiliated with NSA until AFTER I stated my objection to foie gras and my
> plans to protest (I found out from Saundra's post about foie gras before I
> had begun researching the restaurant). So I'm not singling anyone out for
> their religious affiliations, I could really care less what church Mr.
> Foucachon belongs to or if he's affiliated with NSA. And he did tell me 
> that
> he plans to look for a more humane supplier (but the production of foie 
> gras
> really can't be done humanely, because it relies on force feeding to 
> fatten
> the animals'
> livers) and that he took it off the menu until then. He did not mention to
> me that he planned on putting it back on the menu, nor that he took it off
> simply because he ran out of it.
>
> As for why I don't attack every single restaurant that serves meat, well
> that would be a losing battle. I'm not trying to tell people what they can
> eat. I do protest at KFC because they have especially cruel practices in 
> the
> way they raise & slaughter their chickens, and they have quite a bit of
> clout and presence in the industry and could make a lot of changes if they
> so chose to. PETA has a campaign against KFC because they have refused to
> make some very minor changes in their slaughtering process (we're asking
> them to gas the chickens before they are dropped into the feather removal
> tank that many go into alive, just to be sure they are dead and don't die 
> so
> painfully). I have to pick my battles here, and I try to pursue campaigns
> that have the capacity to educate people and bring about real change, and
> those where the suffering of the animals is the worst. I oppose ALL animal
> cruelty, but use different tactics in each case. For instance, I'm not 
> going
> to force all restaurants to stop selling pork or even attempt to because I
> don't think it would work, but I will happily educate anyone about a
> vegetarian diet and ask restaurant owners to serve more vegetarian 
> options.
> I also freely distribute information to anyone who wants it, speak at
> classes or to the press about animal cruelty issues, etc.
>
> The reason I am particularly concerned with foie gras is that first of all
> this is the first time I have ever heard of it being served in Moscow (in
> the 5 years I have lived here) and second, it is a particularly cruel
> practice, involving what seems to me a bit more inhumane treatment than 
> your
> average factory farm. These ducks & geese are restrained, a metal pipe is
> forced down their throats, and food is stuffed into them until they 
> contract
> a liver disease (their livers swell to 6-10 times the normal size, not
> exactly comfortable or healthy). Of course most farms also keep them in
> tiny, cramped cages during this feeding stage, just like chickens in 
> factory
> farms, but the force feeding is what I find particularly questionable. 
> Also,
> this food is a delicacy, very expensive, and totally unnecessary for 
> anyone
> to eat it. So it's not like I'm asking for all meat to be abolished, it
> would just be one small step in the right direction if foie gras was not
> served.
>
> I hope I have cleared things up a bit. Mr. Foucachon, I am NOT trying to
> single you out based on any affiliations, I would campaign against foie 
> gras
> at any restaurant I found out was serving it mostly because I have a
> particular aversion to this horrible practice, and it is completely
> unnecessary to the success of your business anyway.
>
> I don't appreciate accusations either, Mr. Arnold.
>
> peace,
> ~megan
>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
> To: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>, "g. crabtree"
> <jampot at adelphia.net>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Message-ID: <20060825160915.34744.qmail at web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Maybe the Newspaper and/or Megan has misunderstood what Mr. Foucachon 
> said.
> I bet that is the case.
>
>   My question is why Megan would protest the mistreatment of birds when
> pigs are mistreated and served everywhere in Moscow. Sounds to me like 
> they
> are just making things up to protest about because the restaurant  is
> connect to NSA.
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
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