[Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO

[Carl Westberg]

You mean Joe McCarthy, Ann Coulter's hero?   Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: joekc at adelphia.net, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, nils_peterson at wsu.edu
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:22:34 -0700
>
>Nahh, the cute one.  YOu know -- Paul McCarthy, son of the odious 
>red-baiting senator in the 50s.
>
>keely
>
>
>From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, Nils Peterson <nils_peterson at wsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 6:03:51 -0700
>
>John Lenin?
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>=============
>Joe,
>
>   I have ridden enough buses to know that most people that ride the bus do 
>so because it is their best or only option.
>
>   You are as inaccurate about the ridership of buses as you are of your 
>own political standing. You are indeed a far leftest:
>
>
>Economic Left/Right: -5.88
>Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62
>   That is a leftest, if not a socialist. You rank up there along with Mao 
>Tse Tung and Lenin.
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
>Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:  I might regret this in the 
>morning BUT:
>
>1/  I'm not a "far leftist." To suggest that I am shows just how far right  
>this country has gone. I love baseball, apple pie, hot dogs, and Subaru.
>
>2/ In most semesters -- like this one -- the bus is my main form of 
>transportation to work. And I work in another state!
>
>3/  Come ride the bus with me, Donovan, and you'll see that, in Moscow at  
>least, "most people" do not ride it for "economic reasons." Some do but  
>most do not. I bet you'll have fun, too!
>
>(Before responding to this last point recall that I actually ride the buses 
>in Moscow and you do not. )
>
>Best, Joe
>
>---- Donovan Arnold  wrote:
>
>=============
>I  said real ridership Joe. I did not say everyone. You and Niles on  
>occasion in Moscow is not real ridership. And I can tell you, most  people 
>that ride a bus, train, subway, trolley etc. do so for economic  reasons. 
>What is funny about some of you adult far leftists is that you  take a 
>general statement, intended to be a general statement, and try  to prove it 
>is an inaccurate statement by providing one or two  examples, out of 
>billions of instances, in an attempt to disprove its  accuracy. Cows do not 
>fly because you have see one catapulted across  the sky. It might be true 
>in an instance or two, but for the most part,  cows don't fly.
>
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
>Nils Peterson  wrote:  Actually, the bus is a "Third Place" in the way that 
>the COOP deli and One
>World are. People don't just ride, they enjoy one another and network. Now
>if they just served refreshments...
>
>
>On 8/24/06 12:04 PM, "Joe Campbell"  wrote:
>
> > The funny thing, Donovan, is that both Nils and I ride the bus. Neither 
>of us
> > have to ride the bus out of economic necessity. Your comments are just 
>funny!
> > The fact is both Nils and I love to ride the bus and there are a bunch 
>of
> > others like us. I told you that on the next to last bus of the day from 
>WSU
> > yesterday there was standing room only.
> >
> > --
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > ---- Donovan Arnold  wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > Niles writes:
> >
> >
> > "I doubt we'll find the political will to
> > take the scale of actions Donovan suggests."
> >
> > Niles, if we lack the will to do what it takes to save the Earth,
> > then the Earth is surly doomed.
> >
> > Dan Carscallen writes:
> >
> > "Hey, you gotta start somewhere."
> >
> > What's the point of building a catapult to go 1/4 the way
> > across a canyon we must cross, you are better off staying where you are. 
>We
> > will
> > not save the Earth if this generation does not do something drastic
> > and soon.
> >
> >
> > The only reason buses have real ridership is because of economic
> > necessity of the riders.
> >
> > Nobody WANTS to ride a bus. They smell, they are crowded, unsafe, 
>unclean,
> > inconvenient, slow, and uncomfortable. People do it mostly because it is 
>their
> > best
> > option, not because they are trying to save the Earth.
> >
> > If you really want to raise bus ridership raise gas prices, make them 
>clean,
> > safer, more convenient, and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats that 
>have
> > online access, more buses, more locations, and give them their own lane.
> >
> > For Moscow, a trolley on the old railroad tracks would work nicely.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nils Peterson  wrote:  Thanks Dan for sharing
> > information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand
> > that they have a new route for commuters from Lewiston to Moscow. 
>Perhaps we
> > need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are growing.
> >
> > And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start small -- 
>because
> > without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the political will to 
>take
> > the scale of actions Donovan suggests.
> >
> >
> > On 8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:
> > Donovan says:
> > "You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth
> > even a day to do these tiny things."
> >
> > Hey, you gotta start somewhere.
> >
> > An aside to Joe:  Believe you me, my good buddy Tom LaPointe is getting
> > the word out there as far as Moscow Valley Transit is concerned.  Would
> > he like more people to ride the bus?  Heck yes, but I'm here to tell you
> > that I've seen charts and graphs and whatnot presented by Tom that shows
> > nothing but increasing ridership for Moscow Valley Transit.  While I'm
> > not a guy who would normally ride the bus -- various reasons, including
> > a short bicycle or motorcycle commute to work -- I'm all in favor of
> > having that option for people.
> >
> > DC
> >
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