[Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Fri Aug 25 09:22:34 PDT 2006
Nahh, the cute one. YOu know -- Paul McCarthy, son of the odious
red-baiting senator in the 50s.
keely
From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, Nils Peterson <nils_peterson at wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 6:03:51 -0700
John Lenin?
--
Joe Campbell
---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
=============
Joe,
I have ridden enough buses to know that most people that ride the bus do
so because it is their best or only option.
You are as inaccurate about the ridership of buses as you are of your own
political standing. You are indeed a far leftest:
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62
That is a leftest, if not a socialist. You rank up there along with Mao
Tse Tung and Lenin.
Best,
_DJA
Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote: I might regret this in the morning
BUT:
1/ I'm not a "far leftist." To suggest that I am shows just how far right
this country has gone. I love baseball, apple pie, hot dogs, and Subaru.
2/ In most semesters -- like this one -- the bus is my main form of
transportation to work. And I work in another state!
3/ Come ride the bus with me, Donovan, and you'll see that, in Moscow at
least, "most people" do not ride it for "economic reasons." Some do but
most do not. I bet you'll have fun, too!
(Before responding to this last point recall that I actually ride the buses
in Moscow and you do not. )
Best, Joe
---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
=============
I said real ridership Joe. I did not say everyone. You and Niles on
occasion in Moscow is not real ridership. And I can tell you, most people
that ride a bus, train, subway, trolley etc. do so for economic reasons.
What is funny about some of you adult far leftists is that you take a
general statement, intended to be a general statement, and try to prove it
is an inaccurate statement by providing one or two examples, out of
billions of instances, in an attempt to disprove its accuracy. Cows do not
fly because you have see one catapulted across the sky. It might be true in
an instance or two, but for the most part, cows don't fly.
Best,
_DJA
Nils Peterson wrote: Actually, the bus is a "Third Place" in the way that
the COOP deli and One
World are. People don't just ride, they enjoy one another and network. Now
if they just served refreshments...
On 8/24/06 12:04 PM, "Joe Campbell" wrote:
> The funny thing, Donovan, is that both Nils and I ride the bus. Neither
of us
> have to ride the bus out of economic necessity. Your comments are just
funny!
> The fact is both Nils and I love to ride the bus and there are a bunch of
> others like us. I told you that on the next to last bus of the day from
WSU
> yesterday there was standing room only.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
> =============
> Niles writes:
>
>
> "I doubt we'll find the political will to
> take the scale of actions Donovan suggests."
>
> Niles, if we lack the will to do what it takes to save the Earth,
> then the Earth is surly doomed.
>
> Dan Carscallen writes:
>
> "Hey, you gotta start somewhere."
>
> What's the point of building a catapult to go 1/4 the way
> across a canyon we must cross, you are better off staying where you are.
We
> will
> not save the Earth if this generation does not do something drastic
> and soon.
>
>
> The only reason buses have real ridership is because of economic
> necessity of the riders.
>
> Nobody WANTS to ride a bus. They smell, they are crowded, unsafe,
unclean,
> inconvenient, slow, and uncomfortable. People do it mostly because it is
their
> best
> option, not because they are trying to save the Earth.
>
> If you really want to raise bus ridership raise gas prices, make them
clean,
> safer, more convenient, and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats that
have
> online access, more buses, more locations, and give them their own lane.
>
> For Moscow, a trolley on the old railroad tracks would work nicely.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>
>
>
>
> Nils Peterson wrote: Thanks Dan for sharing
> information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand
> that they have a new route for commuters from Lewiston to Moscow. Perhaps
we
> need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are growing.
>
> And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start small --
because
> without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the political will to
take
> the scale of actions Donovan suggests.
>
>
> On 8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:
> Donovan says:
> "You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth
> even a day to do these tiny things."
>
> Hey, you gotta start somewhere.
>
> An aside to Joe: Believe you me, my good buddy Tom LaPointe is getting
> the word out there as far as Moscow Valley Transit is concerned. Would
> he like more people to ride the bus? Heck yes, but I'm here to tell you
> that I've seen charts and graphs and whatnot presented by Tom that shows
> nothing but increasing ridership for Moscow Valley Transit. While I'm
> not a guy who would normally ride the bus -- various reasons, including
> a short bicycle or motorcycle commute to work -- I'm all in favor of
> having that option for people.
>
> DC
>
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