[Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO

[Donovan Arnold]

I said real ridership Joe. I did not say everyone. You and Niles on  occasion in Moscow is not real ridership. And I can tell you, most  people that ride a bus, train, subway, trolley etc. do so for economic  reasons. What is funny about some of you adult far leftists is that you  take a general statement, intended to be a general statement, and try  to prove it is an inaccurate statement by providing one or two  examples, out of billions of instances, in an attempt to disprove its  accuracy.  Cows do not fly because you have see one catapulted  across the sky. It might be true in an instance or two, but for the  most part, cows don't fly. 
  
  
  Best,
  
  _DJA

Nils Peterson <nils_peterson at wsu.edu> wrote:  Actually, the bus is a "Third Place" in the way that the COOP deli and One
World are. People don't just ride, they enjoy one another and network. Now
if they just served refreshments...


On 8/24/06 12:04 PM, "Joe Campbell"  wrote:

> The funny thing, Donovan, is that both Nils and I ride the bus. Neither of us
> have to ride the bus out of economic necessity. Your comments are just funny!
> The fact is both Nils and I love to ride the bus and there are a bunch of
> others like us. I told you that on the next to last bus of the day from WSU
> yesterday there was standing room only.
> 
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- Donovan Arnold  wrote:
> 
> =============
> Niles writes:
>   
>   
> "I doubt we'll find the political will to
> take the scale of actions Donovan suggests."
> 
> Niles, if we lack the will to do what it takes to save the Earth,
> then the Earth is surly doomed.
> 
> Dan Carscallen writes:
> 
> "Hey, you gotta start somewhere."
> 
> What's the point of building a catapult to go 1/4 the way
> across a canyon we must cross, you are better off staying where you are. We
> will
> not save the Earth if this generation does not do something drastic
> and soon. 
> 
> 
> The only reason buses have real ridership is because of economic
> necessity of the riders.
> 
> Nobody WANTS to ride a bus. They smell, they are crowded, unsafe, unclean,
> inconvenient, slow, and uncomfortable. People do it mostly because it is their
> best
> option, not because they are trying to save the Earth.
> 
> If you really want to raise bus ridership raise gas prices, make them clean,
> safer, more convenient, and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats that have
> online access, more buses, more locations, and give them their own lane.
> 
> For Moscow, a trolley on the old railroad tracks would work nicely.
> 
> Best,
> 
> _DJA
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Nils Peterson  wrote:  Thanks Dan for sharing
> information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand
> that they have a new route for commuters from Lewiston to Moscow. Perhaps we
> need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are growing.
> 
> And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start small -- because
> without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the political will to take
> the scale of actions Donovan suggests.
> 
> 
> On 8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:
> Donovan says:
> "You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth
> even a day to do these tiny things."
> 
> Hey, you gotta start somewhere.
> 
> An aside to Joe:  Believe you me, my good buddy Tom LaPointe is getting
> the word out there as far as Moscow Valley Transit is concerned.  Would
> he like more people to ride the bus?  Heck yes, but I'm here to tell you
> that I've seen charts and graphs and whatnot presented by Tom that shows
> nothing but increasing ridership for Moscow Valley Transit.  While I'm
> not a guy who would normally ride the bus -- various reasons, including
> a short bicycle or motorcycle commute to work -- I'm all in favor of
> having that option for people.
> 
> DC
> 
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