[Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO

[Nils Peterson]

Actually, the bus is a "Third Place" in the way that the COOP deli and One
World are. People don't just ride, they enjoy one another and network. Now
if they just served refreshments...


On 8/24/06 12:04 PM, "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:

> The funny thing, Donovan, is that both Nils and I ride the bus. Neither of us
> have to ride the bus out of economic necessity. Your comments are just funny!
> The fact is both Nils and I love to ride the bus and there are a bunch of
> others like us. I told you that on the next to last bus of the day from WSU
> yesterday there was standing room only.
> 
> --
> Joe Campbell
> 
> ---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> =============
> Niles writes:
>   
>   
> "I doubt we'll find the political will to
> take the scale of actions Donovan suggests."
> 
> Niles, if we lack the will to do what it takes to save the Earth,
> then the Earth is surly doomed.
> 
> Dan Carscallen writes:
> 
> "Hey, you gotta start somewhere."
> 
> What's the point of building a catapult to go 1/4 the way
> across a canyon we must cross, you are better off staying where you are. We
> will
> not save the Earth if this generation does not do something drastic
> and soon. 
> 
> 
> The only reason buses have real ridership is because of economic
> necessity of the riders.
> 
> Nobody WANTS to ride a bus. They smell, they are crowded, unsafe, unclean,
> inconvenient, slow, and uncomfortable. People do it mostly because it is their
> best
> option, not because they are trying to save the Earth.
> 
> If you really want to raise bus ridership raise gas prices, make them clean,
> safer, more convenient, and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats that have
> online access, more buses, more locations, and give them their own lane.
> 
> For Moscow, a trolley on the old railroad tracks would work nicely.
> 
> Best,
> 
> _DJA
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Nils Peterson <nils_peterson at wsu.edu> wrote:  Thanks Dan for sharing
> information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand
> that they have a new route for commuters from Lewiston to Moscow. Perhaps we
> need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are growing.
> 
> And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start small -- because
> without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the political will to take
> the scale of actions Donovan suggests.
> 
> 
> On 8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:
> Donovan says:
> "You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth
> even a day to do these tiny things."
> 
> Hey, you gotta start somewhere.
> 
> An aside to Joe:  Believe you me, my good buddy Tom LaPointe is getting
> the word out there as far as Moscow Valley Transit is concerned.  Would
> he like more people to ride the bus?  Heck yes, but I'm here to tell you
> that I've seen charts and graphs and whatnot presented by Tom that shows
> nothing but increasing ridership for Moscow Valley Transit.  While I'm
> not a guy who would normally ride the bus -- various reasons, including
> a short bicycle or motorcycle commute to work -- I'm all in favor of
> having that option for people.
> 
> DC
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