[Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 23 21:24:30 PDT 2006
Andreas,
Ill get back to this topic later when I have more time.
Matt
>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening
>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:05:32 -0700
>
>On 8/22/06, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Im back and had a great four day trip on the Salmon. If you haven't done
>it
> > I would highly recomend it. Salmon steaks and margaritas for dinner,
>yummy.
> >
> > Anywho, I can't get over this topic. I've seen some pretty silly
>arguments
> > for and against it. A few things that pop into mind are:
> >
> > 1. Why is the cross protected by the constitution from being burned, but
>not
> > the flag?
>
>The cross is not protected by the Constitution from being burned.
>People are protected, by statute, from having a cross burned on their
>property with the intent to intimidate them. You can legally burn a
>cross at a Klan rally, but once you burn it on a black family's lawn,
>you are crossing the line from protected speech into speech designed
>to intimidate. Burning a cross is illegal under the same basic
>principle that telling someone that you intend to shoot them is
>illegal, though it implicitly, rather than explicitly, threatens
>violence.
>
> > 2. If the burning ceremony will cause harm to people, through the
> > demonstration itself, or retaliation, shouldn't the law enforcement stop
> > that.
>
>Law enforcement has the responsibility to stop the retaliation. Just
>as police officers have been deployed to protect the Phelps family
>protesting at military funerals and to guard Klan rallies, the police
>has an equal responsibility to make sure that people take no illegal
>actions in order to stop a lawful action.
>
>-- ACS
>
> > Have a couple more but I'll start with that.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > >From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
> > >To: Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening
> > >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 9:53:12 -0700
> > >
> > >Matt,
> > >
> > >I'm not making any general claims about whether passing laws against X
>will
> > >lead to an increase or decrease of folks doing X. I am making a
>particular
> > >claim about a particular law and action. Moreover, tt seems that the
>burden
> > >of whether a law will or will not deter an action is on the person
>wishing
> > >to pass the law. What reason do you have for thinking that it will
>decrease
> > >and not increase the incidence of flag burning?
> > >
> > >All of this is besides the point, though, for the law clearly
>compromises
> > >our constitutional principles of freedom of expression, as Paul
>suggested.
> > >Don't you think that those principles are more important than the harm
>done
> > >by flag burning? I understand your anger at flag burners but aside from
> > >this what is the real harm done to our country or its individuals?
> > >
> > >I can wait until you get back from rafting for a response. Have a nice
> > >trip!
> > >
> > >--
> > >Joe Campbell
> > >
> > >---- Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >=============
> > >Joe,
> > >
> > >With that theory, if marijauna was to be legalized would the use of it
>go
> > >down then? If and only if the flag burning did increase I would tend to
> > >think that it would only be for a small amount of time. Over time lets
>say
> > >a
> > >year, I would think that it would decrease.
> > >
> > >As a nation we need to draw the line what people should and shouldn't
>do.
> > >Burning the flag is way over that line.
> > >
> > >going rafting so I will continue when I get back
> > >Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
> > > >To: Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening
> > > >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 7:42:49 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Matt,
> > > >
> > > >I agree that burning the flag is wrong, plain and simple. But as
>Andreas
> > > >points out, a law against such actions would be counter to both the
> > > >Constitution and the very principles of freedom on which this country
>is
> > > >built. That seems like a much greater wrong.
> > > >
> > > >Furthermore, my guess is that, were a law against flag burning
>passed, it
> > > >would only increase the number of flag's burned. Does anyone know the
> > > >number of flags that have been burned in, say, the last year? I bet
>it is
> > > >relatively small. But think of how many people would burn flags in
> > >protest
> > > >of an anti-flag-burning law.
> > > >
> > > >If you could explain to me what purpose we'd achieve by passing such
>a
> > >law,
> > > >I'd be grateful. On the face of it, it seems like a really bad idea.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Joe Campbell
> > > >
> > > >---- Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >=============
> > > >Or it could be that burning the flag is wrong, plain and simple.
>Maybe
> > >they
> > > >are wasting one but Ill take that one day for doing the right thing
>and
> > > >fixing what should have done the first time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
> > > > >To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> > > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening
> > > > >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:49:11 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >On 8/17/06, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Mr. London,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And just as they should. Why shouldn't the congress take one day
>out
> > > >of
> > > > > > their schedule in order to make flag burning an offense?
> > > > >
> > > > >Because doing so is taking a day out of their schedule to violate
>or,
> > > > >alternatively, create exceptions to the Constitution which they
>have
> > > > >all sworn to uphold? I don't know. Could be that.
> > > > >
> > > > >-- ACS
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