[Vision2020] stop the false accusations against Sunil
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Tue Aug 22 15:10:54 PDT 2006
Believe me, the author of the drivel below is someone I'd like to avoid
engaging, but the repeated and unfounded accusations against Sunil need to
be condemned, and I do. Joe is right -- while it's always wrong to accuse
people of wrongdoing when there's no cause or proof, it's especially
dangerous in this day and age.
Sunil has not "stated repeatedly" anything of the sort. Stop it, Donovan.
keely
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] stop the false accusations against Sunil
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT)
Sunil has stated repeatedly, that he believes that if we cannot find each
and every terrorist guilty of a crime by a trial, we should let them go.
Since it is not possible to try every terrorist and get a conviction, and
he knows this, and we cannot detain them otherwise, Sunil is suggesting we
let many of them go. I think that is supporting the terrorists. Creating a
situation where the US military cannot defend us by placing the new and
unprecedented restriction of a trial and conviction for every foreign enemy
combatant shooting at us before we can lock them up until the conflict is
over, cannot be anything but favoring the enemy.
I think that Sunil is dead right in his disagreement with Bush on foreign
policy for opposing torture.. But deadly wrong in making sure every enemy
of the United States gets a full paid trial on us before we can defend the
country.
Best,
_DJA
Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote: I've tried not to
post responses to Donovan after Roger's comments a couple
of weeks ago, but I'm sick of his crap. First he and now Tony have made the
irresponsible and incorrect statements that I support terrorists or
terrorism; certainly Donovan has made the claim that I only defend
terrorists and sworn enemies of the U.S.
I have tried to explain to Donovan offline with no success that I oppose the
prison in Guantanimo; I oppose the war in Iraq; I oppose the torture of
prisoners and the abandonment of the Geneva Convention; I oppose this
administration's foreign policy. As far as I know, we're still allowed to
object to our govenrnment's actions. If he wants to say that means I defend
terrorists, then he's going to do that, but he's not going to be able to
defend his lies with anything I've said.
I do object to Donovan's lies about me. I think he's making dangerous and
irresponsible statements about me, and I don't think I should have to sit
here and put up with them. Sure, I could say no one takes anything he says
seriously, but I have no idea who might come across his swill and believe
it.
I never mentioned Tony's wife in my post. If Donovan read that in my post I
have to question his literacy.
Tony told me I was not allowed to change the subject, and I made the
apparently incomprehensible joke that he mistook himself for my wife.
Donovan, get your big reading book and look up 'pronouns.' I did not and
would not make fun of Tony's wife. I don't know if he's married and don't
care.
Tony, I have never said I think I'm intellectually superior to you. Quit
being so sensitive. I won't be comparing myself to Lincoln, and I'm no
fancy pants lawyer. I don't think of myself as one, and I don't think I'm
better than anyone else because I'm a lawyer. But if you make incorrect
statements about a legal issue, after a while I'm going to point that out to
you, as I did with your First Amendment statements some time ago, and as
with your recent statements about freedom of expression.
Sunil
>From: Donovan Arnold
>To: Joe Campbell , Tony Simpson
>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] stop the false accusations against Sunil
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Sunil attacked Tony and made a reference to his wife. Why aren't you
>condemning that Joe? Is making references to people's relatives that you
>don't like now acceptable if the person is not a liberal, Joe. Appears to
>be the case.
>
> I hope others join me in condemning attacks on people's relatives and
>spouses, and not defend people that do so.
>
> I never said Sunil supported Terrorism, Joe. I said he defends
>terrorists. Which he has done repeatedly. One can defend the person
>without condoning the actions of that person.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>Joe Campbell wrote: Tony,
>
>It is one thing to call Sunil offensive names and accuse him of being an
>elitist. The first is just childish and the second merely indicates that
>you just don't know Sunil. Both of these sorts of things only make me
>laugh.
>
>But in our contemporary context it is just plain irresponsible and wrong
>to suggest in anyway that Sunil is a supporter of terrorism. Both you and
>Donovan have made this absurd accusation -- neither one of you even
>attempting to support the claim in any way. You need to get a grip.
>
>I hope that others will join me in condemning these kinds of accusations.
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Tony Simpson wrote:
>
>=============
>Suenil: Yep pal, I need to go and "oppress someone."
>
>Anyone who supports terrorists instead of his own country I will oppress.
>Anyone who revels in rubbing everyone else's nose in his supposed
>intellectual superiority I will oppress. Anyone who sees no injustice in
>the premeditated murder of the innocent, I will oppress. Anyone who tries
>to deny freedom of expression to those with whom they disagree, I will
>oppress. Anyone who wishes to weaken or destroy the institutions that
have
>held civilization together, I will oppress.
>
>So get used to it Lawyer Man, I'm not going anywhere.
>
>Despising arrogant and smug elitists, --TONY
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
>Cc:
>Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
>
>
> > Tony,
> >
> > You're the one who brings up my law degree, not me. Since you
inquired
> > about how I passed the bar, I thought I'd answer you.
> >
> > If you're well-informed, Tony, you're hiding your light under a bushel.
> > Now
> > I'll get out of your hair; you probably need to go oppress someone.
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >
> >>From: "Tony Simpson"
> >>To: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>CC:
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:02:33 -0700
> >>
> >>Sunil,
> >>
> >>Me mistaking myself for your wife? I'm afraid I have absolutely no
idea
> >>what you are talking about. But pal, that equation would NEVER work
out
> >>THAT way. The reason for the "hon" comment is old news, weren't you
> >>paying
> >>attention councilor?
> >>
> >>Ya' know, Your fancy pants law degree really doesn't mean SHIT to me,
> >>Sunil. Abraham Lincoln had no formal schooling yet he was as brilliant
>and
> >>persuasive as any "credentialed" man of his time. As it is with you
and
> >>I.
> >>We are both very well informed, just not necessarily in the same exact
> >>areas. You could really do with a dose of humility, Mr. Constitutional
> >>law
> >>hotshot.
> >>
> >>Now go sue somebody or something..... -Tony
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>
> >>Cc:
> >>Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:36 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>
> >>
> >>>For someone who comes across as a homophobe, Tony, it's odd to find
you
> >>>mistaking yourself for my wife. However, it prepared me for finding
>your
> >>>response to Andreas and your use of the endearment, 'Hon,' for him.
>Hey,
> >>>not that there's anything wrong with it, but does his wife know about
> >>>this?
> >>>
> >>>But since you're neither she nor the boss of me, I guess I'm allowed
to
> >>>change the subject.
> >>>
> >>>I will give you one clue about how I passed the bar exam, since you
> >>>brought
> >>>it up: On the Constitutional law section, I discussed the established
> >>>law
> >>>of the United States, not the imagined law and jurisprudence of Tony
> >>>Simpson. Until you're the Fuhrer, I will recommend this approach to
> >>>those
> >>>preparing for that exam.
> >>>
> >>>I understand that you oppose flag burning. That puts you with almost
>the
> >>>entire population of the United States, since this hardly ever
happens.
> >>>I've never seen it in person; have you? But saying it's not speech
>does
> >>>not
> >>>make you right, even if you say it in multiple posts. It's also
pretty
> >>>ineffective speech, but speech it still is.
> >>>
> >>>Sunil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: "Tony Simpson"
> >>>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>>>CC:
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>>>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:29:17 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>>Sunil,
> >>>>
> >>>>No, you are not going to be allowed to change the subject. Address
my
> >>>>point about the difference between license and freedom.
> >>>>
> >>>>Standing in opposition to double talking lawyers, --Tony
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>>>
> >>>>Cc:
> >>>>Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:44 AM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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