[Vision2020] Fw: Mountain View and D

Mon Aug 21 14:18:33 PDT 2006

The difference between those blocks that Wayne brought up, and Mountain  View and D is that on Mt. View and D you have everybody, students,  teachers, parents, and other staff trying to get in and out of the  school in the same period of time. Elsewhere in Moscow, this not the  case, the traffic is more spread out during the day. 

 I  don't have access to traffic flow studies on that intersection.  However, I went to school from K-12, and I noticed traffic was much  heavier during the hours school gets out and starts then other times of  the day, and that the traffic impacted the traffic patterns in nearby  streets. I could not imagine McDonald and MJHS not being the same way. 

  I don't think a four way stop would be a problem except during those  times, but I think it would be a real problem and take a long time if  every single car, bus, van, and pedestrian coming or going from  McDonald and MJHS had to leave one at a time. 

  Best,

  _DJA

Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:              A resend.  It did not come back.

  W.
  ----- Original Message -----   From: Art Deco 
  To: Vision 2020 
  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D

  How  do we know that a four-way stop at Mountain View and D will clog  traffic for blocks?  Do you have access to traffic studies and the  engineered conclusions drawn from them the rest of us are ignorant of?

  There  are several busy intersections with four-way stops that function  fine without clogging traffic for blocks:  Blaine and 6th, Blaine  and White, Hayes and D, Line and 6th (although this can back up traffic  for about one block on the east side at peak times, but no big deal), A  and Line, are a few examples.

  W.
  ----- Original Message -----   From: Donovan Arnold 
  To: roger hayes ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D

I  am not for a stop sign on Mountain and D. I am however, for a stop  light. A four way stop will have Mountain View and D street clogged for  blocks. That will force more people into taking alternative routes  speeding through neighborhood streets and down 6th Street (when and if  that road ever reopens). 

It sounds logical to put a four way  stop there. But I think the volume of traffic is great and this will  create greater problems on that corner and elsewhere in town. How much  longer does it take for four cars to come to a stop, then go one at a  time? Multiply that by the number of cars, if will a good 10-15 minutes  longer to across town on that section of road. 

Best,

_DJA

roger hayes   <rhayes at turbonet.com> wrote:   >     A timed light is an improvement, but kids and walkers cross that 
>     intersection from dawn to way past dark. The problem does not just 
>     occur during the morning and afternoon. A stop sign would be a cheap, 
>     effective way to slow the traffic enough so drivers would be more 
>     aware of children and pedestrians in the crosswalk. We'd probably want     
> to leave the blinking yellow light though.

Roger     Hayes

>
>> I think the city has viewed Mt. View as an     arterial for the increasing
>> numbers of houses on the outskirts of     Moscow.
>> As a person who frequently crosses this intersection on     foot and by
>> bicycle, I think a 4 way stop sign at D and Mt. View     is a good idea
>> indeed. People tend to really zip through that     area. It will, however,
>> change the nature of Mt. View from     commuting arterial to urban street.
>> But given all the schools, the     pool, and rec. centers in the area, the
>> change will not be a bad     thing.
>
> Roger Hayes
>
>> From: cynthia nichols     
>> To: Bruce and Jean Livingston     
>> CC: john weber , Nancy Chaney 
>> ,
>> bill lambert ,     Vision 2020
>> , Robert Stout ,
>> john dickinson 
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works     Meeting
>> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:27:40     -0700
>>
>> This is a good idea. No sense in making EVERYONE     on Mountain View
>> stop all day long when there is only a problem     twice a day. Or even
>> having the lights on Mtn. View blink yellow     most of the day and blink
>> red during those peak-use     times.
>>
>> The city needs to require the developer to     finish the sidewalk on the
>> east side of Mountain View too-between     Hillcrest and Rolling Hills.
>>
>> cynthia     nichols
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:21 AM,     Bruce and Jean Livingston wrote:
>>
>>> Frankly, I don't     understand why they don't put a traffic light
>>> there, set     it
>>> for blinking yellow much of the day in the Mountainview     direction,
>>> but run
>>> it with actual red and     green alternating lights for the high
>>> traffic,     "kid"
>>> times, say 7 a.m. to 9 a.m., and 2 p.m. until 4 or even     6 pm given
>>> the "kid
>>> use" of the athletic     facilities all around that intersection. The
>>>     traffic
>>> back-up on D St. can be significant, and a regimented     crossing
>>> opportunity
>>> that an actual red light     on Mountainview would provide is 
>>>     significant.
>>>
>>> Parents would also be much more     likely to allow children to walk to
>>> school
>>> if     they had confidence in the safety of their child when crossing
>>>     Mountainview at D Street.
>>>
>>> Bruce     Livingston
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message     -----
>>> From: "Craine Kit" 
>>> To: "Vision 2020" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:21     AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works     Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here are the     photos showing the flashing lights.
>>>>
>>>>     Kit     Craine

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