The difference between those blocks that Wayne brought up, and Mountain View and D is that on Mt. View and D you have everybody, students, teachers, parents, and other staff trying to get in and out of the school in the same period of time. Elsewhere in Moscow, this not the case, the traffic is more spread out during the day. <br> <br> I don't have access to traffic flow studies on that intersection. However, I went to school from K-12, and I noticed traffic was much heavier during the hours school gets out and starts then other times of the day, and that the traffic impacted the traffic patterns in nearby streets. I could not imagine McDonald and MJHS not being the same way. <br> <br> I don't think a four way stop would be a problem except during those times, but I think it would be a real problem and take a long time if every single car, bus, van, and pedestrian coming or going from McDonald and MJHS had to leave one at a time. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br>
_DJA<br> <br> <br><br><b><i>Art Deco <deco@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font size="4">A resend. It did not come back.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">W.</font></div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 21, 2006 9:14 AM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D</div></div> <div><br></div> <div><font size="4">How do we know that a four-way stop at Mountain View and D will clog traffic for blocks? Do you have access to traffic studies and the engineered conclusions drawn from them the rest of us are ignorant of?</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">There are several busy intersections with four-way stops that function fine without clogging traffic for blocks: Blaine and 6th, Blaine and White, Hayes and D, Line and 6th (although this can back up traffic for about one block on the east side at peak times, but no big deal), A and Line, are a few examples.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">W.</font></div> <div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="rhayes@turbonet.com" href="mailto:rhayes@turbonet.com">roger hayes</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D</div></div> <div><br></div>I am not for a stop sign on Mountain and D. I am however, for a stop light. A four way stop will have Mountain View and D street clogged
for blocks. That will force more people into taking alternative routes speeding through neighborhood streets and down 6th Street (when and if that road ever reopens). <br><br>It sounds logical to put a four way stop there. But I think the volume of traffic is great and this will create greater problems on that corner and elsewhere in town. How much longer does it take for four cars to come to a stop, then go one at a time? Multiply that by the number of cars, if will a good 10-15 minutes longer to across town on that section of road. <br><br>Best,<br><br>_DJA<br><br><b><i>roger hayes <rhayes@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">> A timed light is an improvement, but kids and walkers cross that <br>> intersection from dawn to way past dark. The problem does not just <br>> occur during the morning and afternoon. A stop sign would be
a cheap, <br>> effective way to slow the traffic enough so drivers would be more <br>> aware of children and pedestrians in the crosswalk. We'd probably want <br>> to leave the blinking yellow light though.<br><br>Roger Hayes<br><br>><br>>> I think the city has viewed Mt. View as an arterial for the increasing<br>>> numbers of houses on the outskirts of Moscow.<br>>> As a person who frequently crosses this intersection on foot and by<br>>> bicycle, I think a 4 way stop sign at D and Mt. View is a good idea<br>>> indeed. People tend to really zip through that area. It will, however,<br>>> change the nature of Mt. View from commuting arterial to urban street.<br>>> But given all the schools, the pool, and rec. centers in the area, the<br>>> change will not be a bad thing.<br>><br>> Roger Hayes<br>><br>>> From: cynthia nichols <CYNTHIANN0
@mac.com=""><br>>> To: Bruce and Jean Livingston <JEANLIVINGSTON @turbonet.com=""><br>>> CC: john weber <JWEBER @ci.moscow.id.us="">, Nancy Chaney <br>>> <NCHANEY @moscow.com="">,<br>>> bill lambert <BLAMBERT @ci.moscow.id.us="">, Vision 2020<br>>> <VISION2020 @moscow.com="">, Robert Stout <BSTOUT @ci.moscow.id.us="">,<br>>> john dickinson <JOHNDICKINSON @moscow.com=""><br>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting<br>>> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:27:40 -0700<br>>><br>>> This is a good idea. No sense in making EVERYONE on Mountain View<br>>> stop all day long when there is only a problem twice a day. Or even<br>>> having the lights on Mtn. View blink yellow most of the day and blink<br>>> red during those peak-use times.<br>>><br>>> The city needs to require the developer to finish the sidewalk on the<br>>> east side of Mountain View
too-between Hillcrest and Rolling Hills.<br>>><br>>> cynthia nichols<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Bruce and Jean Livingston wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Frankly, I don't understand why they don't put a traffic light<br>>>> there, set it<br>>>> for blinking yellow much of the day in the Mountainview direction,<br>>>> but run<br>>>> it with actual red and green alternating lights for the high<br>>>> traffic, "kid"<br>>>> times, say 7 a.m. to 9 a.m., and 2 p.m. until 4 or even 6 pm given<br>>>> the "kid<br>>>> use" of the athletic facilities all around that intersection. The<br>>>> traffic<br>>>> back-up on D St. can be significant, and a regimented crossing<br>>>> opportunity<br>>>> that an actual red light on Mountainview would provide is <br>>>>
significant.<br>>>><br>>>> Parents would also be much more likely to allow children to walk to<br>>>> school<br>>>> if they had confidence in the safety of their child when crossing<br>>>> Mountainview at D Street.<br>>>><br>>>> Bruce Livingston<br>>>><br>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> From: "Craine Kit" <KCRAINE @verizon.net=""><br>>>> To: "Vision 2020" <VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><br>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:21 AM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>> Here are the photos showing the flashing lights.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Kit Craine<br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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