[Vision2020] Missing the point

[Art Deco]

Shame on you Keely!

Are ye not familiar with the Doctrine of Covenantal Dishonesty?

W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point


> Does the vision of Doug Wilson and his elders and the fellows at NSA for a
> transformed culture include a society where people obey zoning laws 
> imposed
> by civil authority and eschew lying en masse to one's neighbors?
>
> Golly, that does sound nifty!
>
> keely
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> From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:46:22 +0000
>
> Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> [[ The whole damn debate started when Wilson tried to suggest (a) that
> slavery wasn't as bad as we thought that it was, (b) that some instances 
> of
> slavery were justified (as long as the Master was "Christian" and the 
> slave
> was Non-"Christian"), (c) and that persons deserved death on the basis of
> their sexual orientation. That sounds pretty intolerant to me . . . If he
> ever took it upon himself to stop saying such nonsense and to apologize to
> those in the community that he's offended we'd be well beyond this 
> mess. ]]
>
> Joe, I can't speak for Wilson, but I agree it sounds intolerant because it
> is intolerant, although I must point out one of your distortions of 
> Wilson's
> teachings: he has NEVER said that anyone deserves the death penalty on the
> basis of their sexual orientation. In any case, what he did actually say 
> is
> plenty offensive enough to those who find the Bible offensive. The
> likelihood of Wilson ever ceasing from saying that or of him apologizing 
> to
> people in the community that were offended by that would seem to be zero,
> because that is what the Bible itself teaches, and the church has 
> recognized
> that for millennia, and there is no need to apologize for to be 
> embarrassed
> by anything that is in the Bible. You will note, for example, that by no
> stretch of the imagination has he has ever advocated vigilante violence
> against anyone. Rather, he is working (including praying and preaching) 
> for
> society to return to a consistently biblical foundation. Presumably when
> that happens, the penal system will be reformed through the governmental
> system currently available to us, and, among other things, homosexual
> perversions will once again be recognized as criminal behavior rather than
> protected behavior. If that does happen, it will be through the work of 
> the
> Holy Spirit convicting enough individual people so that as a net result
> society ends up being transformed. It will not be the result of some sort 
> of
> a coup d'etat by Doug Wilson and like-minded men who then impose some sort
> of a perverse "theonomic" martial law, Nick Gier's sick comparisons to the
> Taliban notwithstanding.
>
> [[ Criticism of intolerance is not itself a display of intolerance. ]]
>
> Actually, in your case that is exactly what it is. You can tolerate 
> anything
> except an absolutist position, because you have absolutized your radical
> relativism. You speak in praise of diversity until you encounter someone 
> who
> really is different from you, and then you can't handle that. The fact of
> the matter is that your much-vaunted commitments to tolerance and 
> diversity
> are a sham -- a ruse aimed at silencing the voice of orthodox Christianity
> in the public square. When I say "sham," "ruse," and "aimed," I don't mean
> that you personally -- or for that matter necessarily anyone on V2020 --  
> is
> self-consciously aware of that. But that is exactly the case at a certain
> spiritual level. The great engine motivating all this is a deep-seated
> hostility to God's biblical revelation and to biblical revelation's God.
>
> -- Princesss Sushitushi
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