[Vision2020] Nick, Saundra and the Princess
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Mon Aug 14 17:35:54 PDT 2006
I'd like to think, Tony, that my heart is in the right place even when
defending people who aren't my friends...
You say I reciprocated un-Christlike and snotty behavior in addressing the
Princess. Really? "Princess LackingHuevos" really got to you, huh? Do you
think that perhaps a precedent in silly namecalling was set by me or by the
one who embraces "Princess Sushitushi" in his/her writing? I acknowledge
having a serrated edge up my sleeve at times, but I only employ it when
responding to the brethren, and only when they set the tone.
Second, I am a former newspaper reporter and a third-generation print
journalist. Very few of the "mainstream media" rely on anonymous sources
for most of their reporting, although the bloggers tend to regurgitate a lot
of whatever gets through their Internet connections. Attribution is
hammered into the press from the beginning; no one takes seriously
information relayed by the reporter who can't or won't tell where she/he got
it from. This means that I don't report, for example, that Tony Simpson is
Conservative Thought Czar of the Clearwater Valley -- instead, I, as a
journalist, would report that former CTC of the CV Bud Blatherholler had
anointed him thusly at the group's annual convention. The "who, what, when,
where, and why" doesn't get to be dreamed up by the reporter; the reporter
gathers the five Ws from sources, almost all of whom are identified almost
all of the time. There are, of course, exceptions, but anonymity as a rule
just doesn't cut it in the reputable media.
Now, I realize you don't care one whit what I think or say about the media
-- it's just that I owe it to my dad and grandfather to try to defend the
press against rabid haters of "the mainstream media." I may be funny that
way, but I prefer to get my news through the MSM than through the
blogosphere, especially given Dale Courtney's recent -- nay, perennial --
missteps in the field of truth-seeking and news reporting.
But hey, that's just me. And you certainly are entitled to rely on whatever
sources you want -- but as a defender of ultimate truth and standards of
behavior, you might want to examine your bias a bit more carefully.
keely
From: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Nick, Saundra and the Princess
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:33:49 -0700
Keely,
My post which offended you was merely a request for a specific response to
an argument rather than an ad hominem (sp?) tirade. This was a reasonable
request. As an intellectual you should appreciate my concern here. But you
were defending a friend or two, so your heart was in the right place.
Curious about two things you touched upon...... 1) Why do you condemn
Tanaka as un Christ--like because she uses on occasion, "snotty rejoinders",
when you, Keely, have just finished referring to Tanaka in a decidedly un
Christian and "snotty" manner? Consistency is crucial Keely.
2) The distatste expressed by you and crew on this forum for views
expressed anonymously would seem to preclude your consideration of half of
what you read in the newspaper and periodicals. They rely heavily on
anonymous sources. Do you summarily disregard "news" reports relying in
whole on charges leveled by thoose who would "prefer to remain anonymous"?
Just seeking clarification.
Enjoy the palouse summer. I am insanely jealous.
--Tony
----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <sslund at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Nick, Saundra and the Princess
>As someone who owes her very life to Christ's atonement on the cross --
>yep, body piercing saved my life! -- I have a few thoughts:
>
>I've been staying out of this thread not because of disinterest -- some of
>you may recall that I have rather strong views on religion -- but because
>I'm up to mine in alligators trying to coordinate the remodelling of a
>house, find a renter for our apartment, and accommodate yet another wave of
>houseguests. It's one of the few times in my life when I've been too busy
>to wade in to something that matters greatly to me. But before the painter
>requires my attention this morning, I'd like to make a few points, provoked
>as I am by Tony's response to Saundra, below.
>
>It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that I am in near total agreement
>with the theology espoused by Princess LackingHuevos, who, in his/her
>anonymity, has done an able job of defending the classic, orthodox
>Christian doctrine of Christ's atonement on the cross. I could, however,
>do without the Princess' continued harangue toward my friend Nick Gier, who
>doesn't agree with the classic, orthodox Christian doctrine of Christ's
>atonement -- in fact, he finds it rather off-putting. Why this surprises,
>much less offends, the Princess would be puzzling were it not for said
>royalty's history of disrespect and rudeness toward those who hold to
>beliefs he doesn't, both from inside or outside of the fold. I think it's
>clear to all that while Sushitushi is an apt defender of the doctrines of
>the faith, the tone taken indicates that he/she is also a poor imitator of
>the One those doctrines point to.
>
>Nick Gier isn't a Christian. That's not a judgment on my part; it's not to
>say that he's not kind, gracious, loving, gentle and merciful. He is all
>of those things, as are many people who don't claim Christ as their Savior.
> Those who call on the name of the Lord Jesus are rightfully counted as
>Christians, and those who don't, aren't. If Nick has made it clear that he
>has found satisfaction and solace in other faith traditions apart from the
>essential doctrines of Christianity, then why would anyone who claims to be
>a Christian take such a nasty approach in acknowledging their doctrinal
>differences? This isn't the pastor of First Evangelical Christian
>Community Tabernacle who's denying the historic teachings of the faith --
>that would be worrisome -- but a scholar who is not a professing Christian.
> Nick Gier isn't an "enemy" who needs to be contained or disarmed. He's a
>man who believes that the things Sushitushi believes are lacking in reason,
>distasteful, or, for whatever reason, simply not for him. There is nothing
>about that that should invite snotty, mocking rejoinders from those who do
>believe. Nick and I are friends; he admires me and I admire him, even as
>we disagree on virtually every point of evangelical theology. God forbid I
>should attempt to assert my "rightness" apart from common decency or
>Spirit-filled righteousness.
>
>Now, I don't know if the Princess is Doug Jones, Chris Witmer, Ben Merkle
>or any other leader or defender of the Kirk. I don't much care. I do
>lament that the Princess is unable to fairly and honestly belly up to the
>bar by using his/her real name, but I suppose it's tempting to want to
>revel in rudeness without the messy consequences of doing so without the
>cloak of anonymity. His arguments might be mature and well-thought out,
>but it's a little difficult to be swayed by someone who can't bring
>him/herself to using their given moniker. And I'm assuming it's someone
>from the Kirk, because of the fervor of support for the leadership and,
>sadly, because of the cogency of the argument -- most evangelical churches
>have not raised an army of able, apt defenders of the Gospel, and if they
>did, I imagine they'd be glowing with pride and unable to do so
>anonymously.
>
>In my reading over the weekend, I came upon something that I think puts it
>all into context far better than I have, and will perhaps be a benefit to
>those who practice imprecatory prayer, are dismissive of their theological
>"enemies," and exalt classical academia over common decency:
>
>"Bless those who persecute you, don't curse them, pray that God will bless
>them. Be happy with those who are happy, and weep with those who weep.
>Live in harmony with each other. Don't be too proud to enjoy the company
>of ordinary people. And don't think you know it all! Never pay back evil
>with more evil. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are
>honorable. Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone . . . "
>(Romans 12:14-18)
>
>keely
>
>
>
>
>From: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] True Muslims and True Americans
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:08:38 -0700
>
>WOW SAUNDRA, you rail on for the bulk of your post at Taro Tanaka without
>ever ONCE addressing the very thoughtful arguments she presented. What's
>the problem Dear? Out of your intellectual league?
>
>Fed up with the enemies of reason, --Tony
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 9:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] True Muslims and True Americans
>
>
> > "Taro Tankara" aka "Princess Sushitushi" aka "Princess Camera-Shy" aka
> > "Princess Who Rushes in Where Trespassers Fear to Tread" aka "Prince Pay
> > No
> > Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain" aka "Prince Late-for-Dinner" >
>aka
> > "Prince in One Hour or You Don't Pay!" aka "Princess
> > Putnotthytrustinprinces" aka "Prince Albasilas Monachus" aka "The
>Princess
> > Formerly Known as Prince" aka "Prince McPauper" aka "Princess Forlornia,
> > Ever Hopeful Frog Kisser" aka "Shining Prince Stanley Nicholson Genji"
>aka
> > "Prince Eduardo Cigarro" wrote:
> > "I'm almost afraid to reply to Nick, because each time he comes back >
>with
> > something nuttier than before."
> >
> > No, sorry -- that would be Taro Tanaka with the multitude of alias, none
> > of
> > which are real names.
> >
> > This V2020 poster reminds me of one of the Edna's -- the one who >
>couldn't
> > decide whether to post as a male or female.
> >
> > One who hasn't made the leap of faith to accept God's grace might
>conclude
> > that it is Christianity, rather than cowards afraid to sign their own
> > names,
> > that causes gender confusion ;-)
> >
> >
> > JMHO,
> > Saundra Lund
> > Moscow, ID
> >
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to >
>do
> > nothing.
> > - Edmund Burke
> >
> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra >
>Lund.
> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 >
>forum
> > without the express written permission of the author.*****
> >
> >
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