[Vision2020] Lessons

Mon Aug 14 12:42:01 PDT 2006

Mr. Crabtree,

Again, you wrote:
". . . the New West article to which she refers originally went out sans
attribution or any mention what so ever of Prof. Nick Gier. . . "

That statement is incorrect -- attribution to Dr. Gier was there FROM THE
BEGINNING, albeit at the end of the article.

And that, kind sir, was my point:  Dale Courtney was once again attempting
to make much ado out of nothing -- something he's prone to doing -- and I'm
sorry you were sucked into his disingenuous agenda.  However, that doesn't
change the fact that attribution was *always* present, unless you are
willing to tell me that *you* saw the article before I did, read it through
and through, and are willing to state -- on your honor -- that the Dr. Gier
attribution I saw wasn't there.  I'm more than happy to state -- on *my*
honor -- that attribution was definitely present from the first time I saw
the article.  In which case, contacting New West is a simple enough
proposition.

Actually, New West already put this silliness to bed -- here's what one of
their editors had to say about Dale's shameful attempt:
"By Jill Kuraitis, 8-12-06 
One more time and then enough of this idiocy. Dale, when Joan first posted
the article it DID have attribution...it was at the bottom and you simply
missed it. At that point, it would have been the civilized thing for you to
say oops sorry, end of story. An "honest mistake" on your part. 

This article was never posted under just Joan's name. For you to forge ahead
with your slander is intolerable. Stop it. You are completely out of line."
http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/10748/C136/L136

Hear, hear to Ms. Kuraitis!  Are you willing to accept New West's statement
of the facts, Mr. Crabtree, or do you want to continue to be suckered by
Dale Courtney's dishonesty?

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at adelphia.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:54 AM
To: Saundra Lund; 'J Ford'; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Lessons

Ms. Lund,  just one simple question. Has the article changed in any way from
the original posting to the form that Ms. Woolf provided the link to? If
there's going to be any "intellectual honesty" you will have to admit that
it has. The original did not make it clear that Gier was the author. The
fact that the piece has been modified, bears out my contention.

gc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
To: "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at adelphia.net>; "'J Ford'" 
<privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Lessons

> Hi Mr. Crabtree,
>
> You wrote:
> ". . . the New West article to which she refers originally went out sans
> attribution or any mention what so ever of Prof. Nick Gier. . ."
>
> Are you sure?  I think you're wrong.  When I first looked at the 
> article --
> which was before Dale Courtney's mistaken and potentially actionable hissy
> fit --  the correct attribution was at the *bottom* of the article. 
> Perhaps
> you missed it, too?  Or, are you just taking Dale Courtney's word for it?
> If so, *huge* mistake on your part, IMHO.
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:17 AM
> To: J Ford; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Lessons
>
> In all fairness, and not that Ms. Woolf will care, the New West article to
> which she refers originally went out sans attribution or any mention what 
> so
> ever of Prof. Nick Gier as the author. This gave the appearance that the
> article was written by Ms. Opyr. When Ms. Opyr and New West made their
> correction, Mr. Courtney withdrew his criticism. This would appear to be
> another case of hysterically shrieking for an apology where none is
> required. A tediously familiar occurrence from certain members of this
> forum.
>
> gc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:00 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Lessons
>
>
>> Another perfect example of Dougie's teachings:
>>
>> As in July, and just as his "pastor" had taught him by example, Dale
>> Courtney, on HIS blog, made an accusation that proves the CC/kirkers are
>> not
>> beyond making an accusation without proof and then not apologizing for it
>> when caught.
>>
>> See
>>
>> http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/10748/C136/L136
>>
>> Also just as Dougie has so well trained him, Dale refuses to acknowledge
>> his
>> mistake and take his lumps.  In other words - he messed up and refuses to
>> clean up his mess.  Well, ok - so he took it off his blog, but you can
>> still
>> read his idiocy on the above link.
>>
>> Gee - go figure.  Lesson well taught and lesson well learned.  Dougie 
>> must
>> be SO proud.
>>
>>
>> J  :]
>>
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