[Vision2020] Democracy, Islam & Terrorism: Was: An Iraqi Veteran's Testimony

[Ted Moffett]

Dick et. al.

Questions and facts:

Isn't Turkey, a mostly Muslim nation, now considered a democracy, though not
without problems?

Why do we keep hearing that there are no Islamic democracies?  I am not
saying I support trying to bomb a nation into a democracy, as we did in
Iraq.

http://www.meforum.org/article/216

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Who engineered a coup against Mossadegh, a democratically elected prime
minister of Iran, in 1953?  What sort of ruler did the US then support in
Iran?  Is this connected to current hatred and mistrust of the US in Iran?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger21.html

The USA undermined the beginnings of a democratic Iran in 1953, and
installed a brutal dictator, thus helping to lay the foundation for an
extremist Islamic rule.
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What nationality were 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/15/attacks.suit/

Given that 15 were Saudi nationals, and the evidence of substantial funding
coming from within Saudi Arabia for Al Quada, why was it implied by the US
government that Saddam was linked to Al Queda and 9/11, rather than Saudi
Arabia?
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The 9/11 commission found that Saddam and Iraq were not supporting Al
Quada.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
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It seems our invasion of Iraq has turned Iraq into an anti-US terrorist
training ground, when before Iraq had little or no connection to the Al
Queda related Islamic extremists who carried out 9/11.  So our invasion was
a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts, turning Iraq into a terrorist training
ground for anti-US Islamicists.  As the anonymous (now identified) CIA
expert who wrote the book "Imperial Hubris" phrased it, the US invasion of
Iraq was a "Christmas gift to Bin Laden:"

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/multipage/documents/03949394.asp

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Mission accomplished!  But not as this presidential speech spinned:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030501-15.html
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Why do the supporters of the US invasion of Iraq hardly ever emphasize that
what is driving much of the insurgency in Iraq is the basic impulse of any
culture to repel the domination of another culture seeking to impose their
will or way of life?  Is it accurate to label this "terrorism?"

Remember, George Washington was called a terrorist by the British!

Ted Moffett



On 8/8/06, Dick Sherwin <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
> Sunil,
>
> I really do not believe Iraq will ever become a democracy.  I really can't
> imagine any Muslim nation ever being a real, true democracy.  There is too
> much hatred of everyone who does not agree 100% with the political and
> religious philosophies of someone else.  I just don't believe Muslims are
> capable of any real change in that.
>
> I disagree with George Bush and the administration when they talk about
> regime change in terms of creating a democratic society in Iraq.  I would
> be
> happy to see Iraq become united under any government that would be
> friendly
> toward the west, but I also don't really think that will happen either.
>
> So, you might ask, what would constitute a victory in Iraq, in my mind?  I
> would think the creation of a seperat nation for the Kurds, up north,
> would
> be a good start.  Then I would be willing to consider bringing our troops
> home, dropping leafelets on the rest of Iraq, Iran and Syria notifying
> them
> they had 48 hours to either disarm and stop supporting state sponsored
> terrorism against the rest of the world or they would be turned into a
> huge
> glass fish bowl.
>
> I would be true to my word.  Call me a racist but I am beginning to
> believe
> the Muslim Religion, as a whole, is never going to get along with the rest
> of the world.  Just pulling out would only encourage them to sponsor even
> more terrorism on the rest of the world.
>
> Live by the sword, die by the sword....  What other answer is there when
> dealing with people who worship death as the ultimate reward?  Give them
> what they want and let them enjoy their virgins.
>
> Dick S.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Iraqi Veteran's Testimony
>
>
> > Dick,
> >
> > What does 'Winning' mean in Iraq?  How do you define it?
> >
> > What do you think the military should do in order to achieve such a win?
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >
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