[Vision2020] Ring Road vs internal Hwy 8 bypass

[Art Deco]

One possible place to start now.  Connect the Moscow-Pullman Highway to US 
95 by going through/on Farm Road, Harden Road, Mix Road.

W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce and Jean Livingston" <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>
To: "Nils Peterson" <nils_peterson at wsu.edu>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; 
<areaman at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ring Road vs internal Hwy 8 bypass


>I agree with Nils and Dan on the need for a bypass to the west.  An eastern
> bypass makes little sense to me, when one considers the volume of traffic
> between Moscow and Troy versus that going between Moscow and Pullman.
>
> I also believe that Nils' concerns are valid that whatever road is picked 
> to
> funnel commuter and through traffic away from downtown will spur 
> development
> in the area selected for the road.
>
> Whitman County is actively seeking to spur development in the 
> Moscow-Pullman
> corridor, to address county revenue shortages.  I suspect that the entire
> distance between Moscow and Pullman will eventually see development, 
> unless
> contrary steps are taken, given Whitman County's development efforts.
> Developing the corridor in between Moscow and Pullman also makes a lot of
> sense to entrepreneurs, who are trying to draw customers from both towns.
>
> Unless some creative conservation easements are obtained, development 
> seems
> likely in the corridor, and I don't know that it can be stopped, or 
> whether
> that is desirable to enough of the community at-large, or whether the 
> voice
> of Moscow and Pullman can exert any influence on policy-makers in Whitman
> County who have their own, differing, objectives.
>
> My sense is that the commuters and the users of the Chipman trail would
> prefer not to have the corridor developed.  Personally, I am in accord 
> with
> those users and do not desire development of the corridor.  Whitman 
> County,
> and certain businesses needing large tracts of land, especially, desire 
> the
> development.  Moscow and Pullman prefer development to occur within their
> municipal boundaries or on their edge where development can be annexed.
>
> In many ways, it seems to me that we ought to be focusing on growth that 
> is
> good for our community, the Palouse, and not just the discrete political
> subdivisions with all their little self-interests that may not fit what
> makes the most sense if we didn't have concerns about who gets what tax
> money or tax burden.  A cooperative, regional approach has appeal to me,
> especially if it leads to a cooperative approach on water.  Water issues 
> may
> be the biggest obstacle for development in Whitman County, and I suppose
> cooperative ventures between Moscow and Whitman County are another
> possibility, sharing water and tax revenue.  Whether there is any
> inclination on the part of either entity to entertain such discussions is
> not something I know.  But forestalling development on most of the
> Moscow-Pullman corridor might occur by exploring ways of containing sprawl
> along the corridor and encouraging the development closer to Moscow and
> Pullman.
>
> Bruce Livingston
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nils Peterson" <nils_peterson at wsu.edu>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; <areaman at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:55 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Ring Road vs internal Hwy 8 bypass
>
>
>> Thanks for the post, Dan. I agree, call it "Fred" or "bypass" and start
>> with
>> the SW segment.  With all the development going up Warbonnet Dr, it seems
>> a
>> poor choice for the SW segment to come in there (hard for Warbonnet to
>> start
>> the NW segment), but if it goes out into Washington, does that further
>> encourage development on the Washington side of the state line?
>>
>>
>> On 8/7/06 6:40 PM, "Dan Carscallen> wrote:
>>
>>> Having sat in on a lot of the discussions prior to the recent public
>>> unveiling, I can see where you are coming from.  It is nice to hear some
>>> more people come up with more ideas, though.  While ITD's recent
>>> origin/destination study didn't justify a bypass for Moscow, I think
>>> most people will tell you they would like to see it.  I'd like to see
>>> it, along with some connectivity around town.
>>>
>>> I think people get worked up a bit when they see the entire "Ring Road"
>>> concept (I'm with Walter Steed, maybe we should call it "Fred") without
>>> realizing that *if* it ever gets built, it will be built in segments.
>>> Probably the southwestern section first, then the northwestern quarter,
>>> thereby giving us our western bypass.  Next would probably be the
>>> southeastern quarter, giving us a Hwy 8 bypass.  The Northeastern
>>> quarter would probably be last, if built at all.
>>>
>>> My dream, if you will, would be to see the ring road built, in some form
>>> or another, turn Main street into something even more walkable than it
>>> is, and turn Washington and Jackson back into two-way streets.
>>>
>>> You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
>>
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