[Vision2020] Jerry Brady on the Auntie E. and Brother C. show

Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
Sat Aug 5 14:46:39 PDT 2006 

Gary,

It has nothing to do with free market vs. non-free market. Do you think we would be better off if private businesses ran the department of defense? If not, then you think that some costs are the responsibility of the government and not all economic decisions are dictated by market considerations. 

The question is, Why shouldn't the assurance of a living wage be one of those things? Maybe it should be and maybe it shouldn't be. But you can't just brush aside the issue by holding on to the term 'free market.' Everyone that I know is in favor of a free market as far as it goes. The devil is in the details.

Why not a standard minimum wage? How is this more of a waste of our tax dollars than, say, the current war in Iraq?

Best, Joe

---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote: 

=============
Matt, How come the song and dance is always "I pay a good wage but that 
nasty other guy will abuse the system." In a free market the pitiful McD 
workers can all quit and go to work for you. Problem solved, no government 
intervention required.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: <jampot at adelphia.net>; <thansen at moscow.com>; <london at moscow.com>; 
<carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; 
<joanopyr at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jerry Brady on the Auntie E. and Brother C. show


> GC,
>
> No I wouldnt even stoop to a level of 6.50 an hour. My guys start at 8hr 
> minimal, because I really do believe 5.15 not paying for squat. Most of my 
> guys are young men with little experience. You know the 18-22 year olds. 
> The prime candidates for your theory of starting in the work force. The 
> problem is that employers would start people at 2.50 if they could. Many 
> would take advantage of that and use it to make more themselves.
>
> But why not 2.50 anymore, well inflation Im sure. So with inflation always 
> on the rise, whats wrong with giving the minimum wage earners(young and 
> old) a buck fifty increase. I doubt the employer will go bankrupt and will 
> help out that 65 year old man working at MikeyDees. With govt agencies, 
> unions and employers raising their prices and or employees wages every 
> year. I would have no problem giving the Min wage its well needed SMALL 
> increase.
>
>
> Anyways I own Raindrop Sprinklers(underground sprinkler systems) located 
> here in the cow. Proudly serving the Palouse for 30 years:)
>
> Take care GC
> Matt
>
>
>>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>To: "Matt Decker" 
>><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>,<thansen at moscow.com>,<london at moscow.com>,<carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>,<vision2020 at moscow.com>,<joanopyr at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jerry Brady on the Auntie E. and Brother C. show
>>Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:25:16 -0700
>>
>>Terrific! I'm glad that you are willing to give your entry level 
>>employee's 6.50. Is that what you'll pay them in 6 months? How about 18? 
>>Is that what their wage will be after they have attended a few training 
>>programs and become skilled at whatever it is that they do for you? I 
>>really don't see how having the state mandate an arbitrary starting wage 
>>is good anyone. Seems to me that it's better to get as many as possible 
>>started into the workforce and let the market sort out their compensation.
>>
>>Gary
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>To: <jampot at adelphia.net>; <thansen at moscow.com>; <london at moscow.com>; 
>><carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; 
>><joanopyr at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 9:33 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jerry Brady on the Auntie E. and Brother C. show
>>
>>
>>>GC,
>>>
>>>I see and understand your point very well. As a business owner myself, I 
>>>would have no problem having the wage at lets say 6.50 or so.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>>>To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <thansen at moscow.com>, 
>>>><london at moscow.com>, <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>, 
>>>><vision2020 at moscow.com>, <joanopyr at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jerry Brady on the Auntie E. and Brother C. 
>>>>show
>>>>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:35:13 -0700
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure this won't be the answer of our next second place governor, not 
>>>>to
>>>>mention  making me no friends on this list, but the fact is no one is
>>>>supposed to live on minimum wage. It's a starting point for youth, folks 
>>>>who
>>>>desire part time employment, and people just starting up the job ladder. 
>>>>As
>>>>skills and experience increase so do the wages. If a person has been 
>>>>working
>>>>for an extended period someplace and is still making $5.15 they are 
>>>>being
>>>>sent a very unsubtle message. Can you guess what it is? I knew you 
>>>>could. If
>>>>they're incapable of rising above minimum wage on their day job, they 
>>>>should
>>>>consider getting a second. It'll be doing the community a favor by 
>>>>keeping
>>>>them off the streets and out of mischief. If this seems a wee bit cauld 
>>>>(a
>>>>tip O' the tam o' shanter to "J. Ford") consider that it's the exact 
>>>>model
>>>>used by many family's right up to and through the late 1950's.
>>>>
>>>>gc
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <thansen at moscow.com>; <london at moscow.com>;
>>>><carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
>>>><joanopyr at moscow.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 4:39 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jerry Brady on the Auntie E. and Brother C. 
>>>>show
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Tom,
>>>> >
>>>> > Tom good point. Another would be why in the hell is min. wage still
>>>> > $5.15/hr. Who can live on that?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Matt
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> >>To: "'Tom Hansen'" <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Bill London'"
>>>> >><london at moscow.com>,        "'Carl Westberg'"
>>>> >><carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>,        <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Joan
>>>>Opyr"
>>>> >><joanopyr at moscow.com>
>>>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jerry Brady on the Auntie E. and Brother C.
>>>>show
>>>> >>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:29:23 -0700
>>>> >>
>>>> >>One "MUST ASK" question of Jerry Brady:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>If sales tax were increased by one percentage point to recover 
>>>> >>revenue
>>>> >>lost
>>>> >>by reduced property taxes, would Jerry Brady support exempting food 
>>>> >>from
>>>> >>sales tax?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>In my opinion, reducing property taxes while increasing sales tax 
>>>> >>(and
>>>> >>retaining tax on food) is like robbing from the poor to pay the rich.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Don't get me wrong.  I support reduced property taxes, but NOT at an
>>>> >>increased cost of putting food on the table.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Tom Hansen
>>>> >>Moscow, Idaho
>>>> >>
>>>> >>"If we did all the things that we are capable of doing, we would
>>>>literally
>>>> >>astound ourselves."
>>>> >>
>>>> >>- Thomas Edison
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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