[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006

Thu Apr 27 06:05:13 PDT 2006

Dick,

Those of us who have posted on Vision 2020 for awhile know that "Art Deco" 
is Wayne Fox.  Wayne has never hidden who he is and, in fact, used to sign 
his posts with his full name.  By now we all know it, but very few of us 
know yours.

Second, Wayne and I disagree vehemently on the Bible and yet have managed to 
remain cordial.  I also consider the Bible to be the word of God, because I 
am a Christian -- no secret to anyone on this list.  I have no idea of the 
religious affiliations of ToeKnee or Ed Cooper, but you say you're a 
Christian as well.  Would it be a good idea, maybe, to cut down on the 
sarcasm and assume that while no one on Vision knows everything, those of us 
who are regulars know each other, and you come off sounding a bit nasty when 
you jump in fighting?

That's not liberal or conservative, by the way.  Nor is it exclusively 
Christian.  It's just common sense, something I'm sure a man of your 
character would appreciate.

keely

From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:44:29 -0700

As I said earlier, Mr. Deco... or Twinkletoes.. or whoever you are.. perhaps 
Batman.. It is just too difficult to take you seriously when you don't even 
have a real name.

  You obviously have no basis in the Bible to begin with in the Bible and 
also no respect for it, so why do you care anyway?  Or do you just like to 
join the fray to read your own babble?

I do believe in the word of God... not some alleged God, but the God of the 
Bible.  If you don't believe, they it shouldn't matter to you to begin with.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Art Deco
   To: Vision 2020
   Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:11 PM
   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006

   Cowboy Dick says:

   "I am not even interested in the moral issue here, only the use of God's 
word to justify Joan's moral conscience pangs."

   Perhaps Cowboy Dick you can give us some valuable instruction here.  How 
do you know that the Bible is the word of some alleged God?

   W.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
   To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:53 PM
   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006

   >J Ford,
   >
   > Why is it everytime a straight person questions someone's position on
   > homosexuality they get the same comeback?   I.E.  Oh, you are so 
obsessed
   > with the gay lifestyle.... blah, blah, blah...
   >
   > I would have questioned Joan's opinion on anything else I thought she 
was
   > totally wrong about also.  If you are going to use the Bible to justify 
your
   > lifestyle in a public forum you must expect comment.  After all, isn't 
that
   > why she posted it here to begin with?
   >
   > None of your comparrisons hold any water in this discussion.  You act 
as
   > though no one has the right to any different opinion, other than a 
liberal
   > one.  Do you believe only homosexuals are allowed to discuss, or 
question
   > the topic?
   >
   > Homosexuality is a moral issue.  Mistating the Bible for the purposes 
of
   > justifying ones own guilt is something different to me.  I am not even
   > interested in the moral issue here, only the use of God's word to 
justify
   > Joan's moral conscience pangs.
   >
   > There can be no winner in this argument.  Opinions are just that...
   > opinions, everyone has one and argument won't change it.  \
   >
   > Dick
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
   > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
   > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:38 PM
   > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
   >
   >
   >> Hey...let's not go there, ok? Not cool.
   >>
   >> The discussion should stay on the fact that these guys seem overly
   > obsessed
   >> with the sexual habits of people they don't know and don't have much
   > regard
   >> for.  Sorta like Hitler having no regard for the Jewish or the White
   >> Southerners for the Blacks (in the Slavery Days AS IT TRULY WAS.)
   >>
   >> J  :]
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> >From: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
   >> >To: Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
   >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
   >> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
   >> >
   >> >The humorous thing, rvcowboy, is that you are the one who made the
   >> >homosexual connection to the passage in the first place.  Joan 
didn't.
   > You
   >> >went that direction all by yourself.  And now you're saying that only 
a
   >> >sick mind would do such a thing.
   >> >
   >> >Why are you, and the Dougs, and Dale, and Ed so obsessed with
   > homosexualty?
   >> >  Even creepier (at least to me), why are you guys so obsessed with 
male
   >> >gay sex?  I could kinda understand if you were excited about the idea 
of
   >> >two women getting it on.
   >> >
   >> >-Scott
   >> >
   >> >rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote:        4     and Jonathan
   >> >strippeth himself of the upper  robe which is upon him, and  giveth 
it to
   >> >David, and his long robe, even unto his sword, and unto his bow,  and
   > unto
   >> >his girdle.
   >> >
   >> >  Sorry to inform you,  Art, but this is simply symbolic of the fact
   >> >Jonathan is conceeding his royal  robe, sword, bow and gear to David 
in
   >> >recognition his father is naming David as  king.
   >> >
   >> >  It has nothing to do  with homosexuality and you would have to have 
a
   >> >sick mind to believe  so.
   >> >
   >> >  Dick
   >> >
   >> >     ----- Original Message -----
   >> >    From:    Art Deco
   >> >    To: Vision 2020
   >> >    Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:03    PM
   >> >    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on    4/22/2006
   >> >
   >> >
   >> >    Dearest Dick,
   >> >
   >> >    Here is the actual text from Young's Literal Translation    of 
the
   >> >Bible.  Sounds a little suggestive to me.
   >> >
   >> >
   >> >    1 Samuel    18
   >> >
   >> >    1       And it cometh to    pass, when he finisheth to speak unto
   > Saul,
   >> >that the soul of Jonathan hath    been bound to the soul of David, 
and
   >> >Jonathan loveth him as his own    soul.
   >> >
   >> >    2       And    Saul taketh him on that day, and hath not 
permitted
   > him
   >> >to turn back to the    house of his father.
   >> >
   >> >    3       And Jonathan makethï¿½also Davidï¿½a covenant, because he
   >> >loveth him as his own    soul,
   >> >
   >> >    4       and Jonathan strippeth himself of the upper    robe which 
is
   >> >upon him, and    giveth it to David, and his long robe, even unto his
   >> >sword, and unto his bow,    and unto his girdle.
   >

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