[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
rvrcowboy
rvrcowboy at clearwire.net
Wed Apr 26 22:04:24 PDT 2006
I haven't condemed anyone. Not even Joan. My total argument has been based
on the fact I disagree with her interpretation of 1st Samuel and believe she
intrepets it the way she does to justify her own guilt over her situation.
I am not judging her. I am only stating my opinion that she is wrong about
1st Samuel having anything to do with homosexuality to begin with. She came
back at me with a vengence, trying to impress me with her heritage and her
academic accomplishments, which I find questionable, not to mention
irrelevent. She questioned my knowledge of the Bible and I told her I had
spent time reading these passages in several different versions and had
sought the wisdom of my pastor before commenting. She then accused me of
thinking I was an expert on the Bible. Don't forget, I am the one who
sought other insight first. I don't claim to be an expert but I don't think
one has to be to see the error of Joan's intrepretation in this instance.
Why do you feel you have to come to her defense to begin with? If she is
confident enough in her claim she should be able to defend it herself
without your help.
This is really a moot issue as far as I am concerned. I made my point that
I think her translation is incorrect and she is sticking to her version. I
don't care about the rest of her problems... Obviously, it bothers her, and
you, much more than me.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> rv
>
> If "There can be no winner in this argument" what the heck you doing
> condemning her or anyone like her whom you don't even know? You don't
> "question" anything...you flat-out state things. You may want to tone
down
> your statements to "I believe" or "it is my belief" or whatever...but you
> make statements like you KNOW that people are going to hell or are doomed.
> You don't know any such thing. No one does. You don't even know YOU are
> going to Heaven. You may WANT to, but have you made a CLEAN and TOTAL
> breast of all YOUR sins (and no, I am not suggesting you do so here - I
> could care less what they are.) My point is that you need to take care of
> your yard and let others take care of theirs IN THIS AREA. Make
statements
> of your BELIEFS, not your KNOWING and you will get further along in a
> happier way.
>
> But, that is only my belief. Take it - leave it. I don't care.
>
> J :]
>
> P.S. you're on my bozo list, so please don't try that again, ok? thanks.
>
>
>
> >From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:11:25 -0700
> >
> >Cowboy Dick says:
> >
> >"I am not even interested in the moral issue here, only the use of God's
> >word to justify Joan's moral conscience pangs."
> >
> >
> >Perhaps Cowboy Dick you can give us some valuable instruction here. How
do
> >you know that the Bible is the word of some alleged God?
> >
> >W.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> >To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:53 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >
> >
> > >J Ford,
> > >
> > > Why is it everytime a straight person questions someone's position on
> > > homosexuality they get the same comeback? I.E. Oh, you are so
> >obsessed
> > > with the gay lifestyle.... blah, blah, blah...
> > >
> > > I would have questioned Joan's opinion on anything else I thought she
> >was
> > > totally wrong about also. If you are going to use the Bible to
justify
> >your
> > > lifestyle in a public forum you must expect comment. After all, isn't
> >that
> > > why she posted it here to begin with?
> > >
> > > None of your comparrisons hold any water in this discussion. You act
as
> > > though no one has the right to any different opinion, other than a
> >liberal
> > > one. Do you believe only homosexuals are allowed to discuss, or
> >question
> > > the topic?
> > >
> > > Homosexuality is a moral issue. Mistating the Bible for the purposes
of
> > > justifying ones own guilt is something different to me. I am not even
> > > interested in the moral issue here, only the use of God's word to
> >justify
> > > Joan's moral conscience pangs.
> > >
> > > There can be no winner in this argument. Opinions are just that...
> > > opinions, everyone has one and argument won't change it. \
> > >
> > > Dick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hey...let's not go there, ok? Not cool.
> > >>
> > >> The discussion should stay on the fact that these guys seem overly
> > > obsessed
> > >> with the sexual habits of people they don't know and don't have much
> > > regard
> > >> for. Sorta like Hitler having no regard for the Jewish or the White
> > >> Southerners for the Blacks (in the Slavery Days AS IT TRULY WAS.)
> > >>
> > >> J :]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
> > >> >To: Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> > >> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
> > >> >
> > >> >The humorous thing, rvcowboy, is that you are the one who made the
> > >> >homosexual connection to the passage in the first place. Joan
didn't.
> > > You
> > >> >went that direction all by yourself. And now you're saying that
only
> >a
> > >> >sick mind would do such a thing.
> > >> >
> > >> >Why are you, and the Dougs, and Dale, and Ed so obsessed with
> > > homosexualty?
> > >> > Even creepier (at least to me), why are you guys so obsessed with
> >male
> > >> >gay sex? I could kinda understand if you were excited about the ide
a
> >of
> > >> >two women getting it on.
> > >> >
> > >> >-Scott
> > >> >
> > >> >rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote: 4 and Jonathan
> > >> >strippeth himself of the upper robe which is upon him, and giveth
it
> >to
> > >> >David, and his long robe, even unto his sword, and unto his bow,
and
> > > unto
> > >> >his girdle.
> > >> >
> > >> > Sorry to inform you, Art, but this is simply symbolic of the fact
> > >> >Jonathan is conceeding his royal robe, sword, bow and gear to David
> >in
> > >> >recognition his father is naming David as king.
> > >> >
> > >> > It has nothing to do with homosexuality and you would have to
have
> >a
> > >> >sick mind to believe so.
> > >> >
> > >> > Dick
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: Art Deco
> > >> > To: Vision 2020
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:03 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Dearest Dick,
> > >> >
> > >> > Here is the actual text from Young's Literal Translation of
the
> > >> >Bible. Sounds a little suggestive to me.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 1 Samuel 18
> > >> >
> > >> > 1 And it cometh to pass, when he finisheth to speak
unto
> > > Saul,
> > >> >that the soul of Jonathan hath been bound to the soul of David,
and
> > >> >Jonathan loveth him as his own soul.
> > >> >
> > >> > 2 And Saul taketh him on that day, and hath not
permitted
> > > him
> > >> >to turn back to the house of his father.
> > >> >
> > >> > 3 And Jonathan maketh�also David�a covenant, because
he
> > >> >loveth him as his own soul,
> > >> >
> > >> > 4 and Jonathan strippeth himself of the upper robe
which
> >is
> > >> >upon him, and giveth it to David, and his long robe, even unto
his
> > >> >sword, and unto his bow, and unto his girdle.
> > >
>
>
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