[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006

Wed Apr 26 21:34:19 PDT 2006

rv

If "There can be no winner in this argument" what the heck you doing 
condemning her or anyone like her whom you don't even know?  You don't 
"question" anything...you flat-out state things.  You may want to tone down 
your statements to "I believe" or "it is my belief" or whatever...but you 
make statements like you KNOW that people are going to hell or are doomed.  
You don't know any such thing.  No one does.  You don't even know YOU are 
going to Heaven.  You may WANT to, but have you made a CLEAN and TOTAL 
breast of all YOUR sins (and no, I am not suggesting you do so here - I 
could care less what they are.)  My point is that you need to take care of 
your yard and let others take care of theirs IN THIS AREA.  Make statements 
of your BELIEFS, not your KNOWING and you will get further along in a 
happier way.

But, that is only my belief.  Take it - leave it.  I don't care.

J  :]

P.S.  you're on my bozo list, so please don't try that again, ok?  thanks.

>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:11:25 -0700
>
>Cowboy Dick says:
>
>"I am not even interested in the moral issue here, only the use of God's 
>word to justify Joan's moral conscience pangs."
>
>
>Perhaps Cowboy Dick you can give us some valuable instruction here.  How do 
>you know that the Bible is the word of some alleged God?
>
>W.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
>To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>
>
> >J Ford,
> >
> > Why is it everytime a straight person questions someone's position on
> > homosexuality they get the same comeback?   I.E.  Oh, you are so 
>obsessed
> > with the gay lifestyle.... blah, blah, blah...
> >
> > I would have questioned Joan's opinion on anything else I thought she 
>was
> > totally wrong about also.  If you are going to use the Bible to justify 
>your
> > lifestyle in a public forum you must expect comment.  After all, isn't 
>that
> > why she posted it here to begin with?
> >
> > None of your comparrisons hold any water in this discussion.  You act as
> > though no one has the right to any different opinion, other than a 
>liberal
> > one.  Do you believe only homosexuals are allowed to discuss, or 
>question
> > the topic?
> >
> > Homosexuality is a moral issue.  Mistating the Bible for the purposes of
> > justifying ones own guilt is something different to me.  I am not even
> > interested in the moral issue here, only the use of God's word to 
>justify
> > Joan's moral conscience pangs.
> >
> > There can be no winner in this argument.  Opinions are just that...
> > opinions, everyone has one and argument won't change it.  \
> >
> > Dick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >
> >
> >> Hey...let's not go there, ok? Not cool.
> >>
> >> The discussion should stay on the fact that these guys seem overly
> > obsessed
> >> with the sexual habits of people they don't know and don't have much
> > regard
> >> for.  Sorta like Hitler having no regard for the Jewish or the White
> >> Southerners for the Blacks (in the Slavery Days AS IT TRULY WAS.)
> >>
> >> J  :]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
> >> >To: Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
> >> >
> >> >The humorous thing, rvcowboy, is that you are the one who made the
> >> >homosexual connection to the passage in the first place.  Joan didn't.
> > You
> >> >went that direction all by yourself.  And now you're saying that only 
>a
> >> >sick mind would do such a thing.
> >> >
> >> >Why are you, and the Dougs, and Dale, and Ed so obsessed with
> > homosexualty?
> >> >  Even creepier (at least to me), why are you guys so obsessed with 
>male
> >> >gay sex?  I could kinda understand if you were excited about the idea 
>of
> >> >two women getting it on.
> >> >
> >> >-Scott
> >> >
> >> >rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote:        4     and Jonathan
> >> >strippeth himself of the upper  robe which is upon him, and  giveth it 
>to
> >> >David, and his long robe, even unto his sword, and unto his bow,  and
> > unto
> >> >his girdle.
> >> >
> >> >  Sorry to inform you,  Art, but this is simply symbolic of the fact
> >> >Jonathan is conceeding his royal  robe, sword, bow and gear to David 
>in
> >> >recognition his father is naming David as  king.
> >> >
> >> >  It has nothing to do  with homosexuality and you would have to have 
>a
> >> >sick mind to believe  so.
> >> >
> >> >  Dick
> >> >
> >> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >> >    From:    Art Deco
> >> >    To: Vision 2020
> >> >    Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:03    PM
> >> >    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on    4/22/2006
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >    Dearest Dick,
> >> >
> >> >    Here is the actual text from Young's Literal Translation    of the
> >> >Bible.  Sounds a little suggestive to me.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >    1 Samuel    18
> >> >
> >> >    1       And it cometh to    pass, when he finisheth to speak unto
> > Saul,
> >> >that the soul of Jonathan hath    been bound to the soul of David, and
> >> >Jonathan loveth him as his own    soul.
> >> >
> >> >    2       And    Saul taketh him on that day, and hath not permitted
> > him
> >> >to turn back to the    house of his father.
> >> >
> >> >    3       And Jonathan makethï¿½also Davidï¿½a covenant, because he
> >> >loveth him as his own    soul,
> >> >
> >> >    4       and Jonathan strippeth himself of the upper    robe which 
>is
> >> >upon him, and    giveth it to David, and his long robe, even unto his
> >> >sword, and unto his bow,    and unto his girdle.
> >

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