[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
rvrcowboy
rvrcowboy at clearwire.net
Wed Apr 26 18:53:12 PDT 2006
J Ford,
Why is it everytime a straight person questions someone's position on
homosexuality they get the same comeback? I.E. Oh, you are so obsessed
with the gay lifestyle.... blah, blah, blah...
I would have questioned Joan's opinion on anything else I thought she was
totally wrong about also. If you are going to use the Bible to justify your
lifestyle in a public forum you must expect comment. After all, isn't that
why she posted it here to begin with?
None of your comparrisons hold any water in this discussion. You act as
though no one has the right to any different opinion, other than a liberal
one. Do you believe only homosexuals are allowed to discuss, or question
the topic?
Homosexuality is a moral issue. Mistating the Bible for the purposes of
justifying ones own guilt is something different to me. I am not even
interested in the moral issue here, only the use of God's word to justify
Joan's moral conscience pangs.
There can be no winner in this argument. Opinions are just that...
opinions, everyone has one and argument won't change it. \
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> Hey...let's not go there, ok? Not cool.
>
> The discussion should stay on the fact that these guys seem overly
obsessed
> with the sexual habits of people they don't know and don't have much
regard
> for. Sorta like Hitler having no regard for the Jewish or the White
> Southerners for the Blacks (in the Slavery Days AS IT TRULY WAS.)
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
> >From: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
> >To: Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >The humorous thing, rvcowboy, is that you are the one who made the
> >homosexual connection to the passage in the first place. Joan didn't.
You
> >went that direction all by yourself. And now you're saying that only a
> >sick mind would do such a thing.
> >
> >Why are you, and the Dougs, and Dale, and Ed so obsessed with
homosexualty?
> > Even creepier (at least to me), why are you guys so obsessed with male
> >gay sex? I could kinda understand if you were excited about the idea of
> >two women getting it on.
> >
> >-Scott
> >
> >rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote: 4 and Jonathan
> >strippeth himself of the upper robe which is upon him, and giveth it to
> >David, and his long robe, even unto his sword, and unto his bow, and
unto
> >his girdle.
> >
> > Sorry to inform you, Art, but this is simply symbolic of the fact
> >Jonathan is conceeding his royal robe, sword, bow and gear to David in
> >recognition his father is naming David as king.
> >
> > It has nothing to do with homosexuality and you would have to have a
> >sick mind to believe so.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Art Deco
> > To: Vision 2020
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >
> >
> > Dearest Dick,
> >
> > Here is the actual text from Young's Literal Translation of the
> >Bible. Sounds a little suggestive to me.
> >
> >
> > 1 Samuel 18
> >
> > 1 And it cometh to pass, when he finisheth to speak unto
Saul,
> >that the soul of Jonathan hath been bound to the soul of David, and
> >Jonathan loveth him as his own soul.
> >
> > 2 And Saul taketh him on that day, and hath not permitted
him
> >to turn back to the house of his father.
> >
> > 3 And Jonathan maketh�also David�a covenant, because he
> >loveth him as his own soul,
> >
> > 4 and Jonathan strippeth himself of the upper robe which is
> >upon him, and giveth it to David, and his long robe, even unto his
> >sword, and unto his bow, and unto his girdle.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> >deco at moscow.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: rvrcowboy
> > To: Vision2020
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:17 PM
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed is forgetting, of course, that "the soul of Jonathan was bound
to
> > the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then
> >Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own
> >soul." 1 Samuel 18. So much for Bathsheba. Uriah the Hittite bit the
> >dust for nothing.
> >
> > Joan Opyr 4/22/2006
> >
> > What is Joan trying to make us believe here? That David and
> >Jonathan engaged in homosexual activities with each other? That is
> >crazy, but then again, who should be surprised at that from Joan?
> >
> > This chapter and verse is taken completely out of context and has
> >nothing to do with homosexual activity what-so-ever but with the bond
> >between David and Jonathan (Saul's son) as friends. Joan has
obviously
> >never had a friend she trusted or loved with her soul. Or, perhaps,
not
> >one that she has not had sex with anyway.
> >
> > To offer up this text as evidence that homosexuality is accepted
in
> >the Bible is ludicrous and bordering on blasphemy. Talk about a
stretch
> >of the imagination.... WOW!
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
>
>
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