[Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any OtherName)

Wed Apr 26 14:36:15 PDT 2006

I never have liked the smell of dog poop and have spoken excitably about it at times. This does not mean if I step in some I am not qualified to want to get it off from my shoe. It is still dog poop and if it's on my shoe I will scrape it off.

James

> From: jampot at adelphia.net> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; k5grench at hotmail.com; joekc at adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any OtherName)> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:51:41 -0700> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> > Ms. Mix, I could not agree with you more. It is very clear to me that Mr. > Ament publicly and vehemently disagrees with NSA's beliefs and practices. > Unfortunately, as a council person, how he feels about a groups beliefs and > practices is not supposed to be part of the decision making process. I > thought that a rational and unbiased look at the issues in any given matter > was the ideal.> > gc> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>> To: <k5grench at hotmail.com>; <joekc at adelphia.net>; <jampot at adelphia.net>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:49 AM> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any > OtherName)> > > > Your classes in logic and rhetoric seem to have skipped the part about > > cohesiveness of argument and consistency of reason, Gabe.> >> > People align themselves with Christ Church and NSA willingly, choosing to > > embrace various doctrines and beliefs and eagerly immersing themselves, as > > is their right, in a particular culture that has as its only defining > > characteristic adherence to those same beliefs and acquiescence to > > policies springing from them.  Again, this is well within their rights; it > > is equally within Aaron's rights to disagree publicly and vehemently with > > those beliefs and practices.> >> > This is not, as you might presume, an argument about being "born that > > way."  That's not relevant.  What is relevant is that no one is Black, > > Jewish, or homosexual because of an institution or fellowship they've > > chosen to align themselves with.  I shudder to think that you might be > > arguing that one's status as a student at NSA is somehow an identifier of > > their personhood in the same way sexuality, race, or religion is.  I mean, > > it's a neat school and all, but not even the sweater vests and khakis and > > black disputatio robes are inherent to the wearer's personhood, dapper as > > they may be.> >> > keely> >> >> > From: "Gabriel Rench" <k5grench at hotmail.com>> > To: <joekc at adelphia.net>, "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at adelphia.net>> > CC: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any > > OtherName)> > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:47 -0700> >> > Joe,> >> > What if Ament expressed the same criticisms about blacks, homosexuals,or> > jews?....Jews are jewdroids...homosexuals are homodroids...blacks are> > bladroids...  Would you want Aments biased subjectivity participate in the> > same sort of decisions?  Cheers! Gabe> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]> > On Behalf Of joekc at adelphia.net> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:29 AM> > To: g. crabtree> > Cc: Moscow Vision 2020> > Subject: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any Other > > Name)> >> > Is every statement that you and your friends disagree with "irrational"? > > Is> > this an illustration of your level of tolerance, Gary?> >> > Ament voiced his criticisms on this topic prior to the election and, if my> > memory serves me well, he gained more votes than ANY other candidate in > > the> > process. Let's stand by the will of the people -- who voted for Ament in> > part because of his well-known views on this subject -- whether or not we> > agree with their opinions. This is how a democracy functions. Not by > > trying> > to silence critics by any means necessary.> >> > --> > Joe Campbell> >> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:> >> > =============> > I'm not sure what Doug you are referring to in your post but, when it come> > to irrational quotes, let's start with his proclaiming NSA as an > > "education> > free zone." I don't care how rabidly partisan you are on this topic, you> > simply can not say that the students at Moscow's finest downtown collage > > are> > not learning anything. If nothing else they're learning that the fair> > minded, tolerant, liberal elite in our town, really aren't. (and to be > > sure> > they are learning quite a bit more then that)> >> > gc> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: <joekc at adelphia.net>> > To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>> > Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen"> > <thansen at moscow.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:29 AM> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name> >> >> > This is just plain false. There is nothing in Doug's quotations of Ament > > to> > support this. What is irrational about Ament's comments?> >> > This is all just another example of some folks trying to get things done> > through something other than the regular channels, a way of doing things> > that got folks like Ament worked up in the first place.> >> > --> > Joe Campbell> >> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:> >> > =============> > When you have a city council member make as many disparaging remarks about> > NSA as citizen Ament has I think that you can safely take the matter out > > of> > the realm of "paranoia" and move it firmly into the real, live problem> > column. Getting ones ducks in a row before the council hears the CUP > > appeal> > seems prudent. Ament clearly has an irrational dislike for "androids."> >> > gc> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>> > To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:47 AM> > Subject: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name> >> >> > > Greetings Visionaires -> > >> > > It seems that NSA attorney Gregory Dickison has requested public records> > > concerning virtually ANYBODY's comments to Councilperson Aaron Ament> > about> > > almost anything.> > >> > > Details concerning this public records request were aired on KRFP this> > > morning.> > >> > > For your listening pleasure:> > >> > > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Dickison_RecReq.mp3> > >> > > Footnote to NSA "management":  Paranoia self-destroya> > >> > > Seeya round town, Moscow.> > >> > > Tom Hansen> > > Just Another Intolerista Liberal Elitista Diversity-Cleansing Wack > > > Nutjob> > > Loose on the Palouse Doing What Comes Natural> > >> > >> > > *************************************************> > >> > > "When people sin, everybody has to pay."> > >> > > - Douglas Wilson of Wilson, Inc. 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