[Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any OtherName)

Wed Apr 26 14:29:54 PDT 2006

And I'm sure that if and when Aaron's integrity proves to be compromised in 
his dealing with NSA -- not his difference of opinion, but his integrity -- 
you will protest as loudly as you should.  Until we have any evidence that 
Aaron has acted improperly, though, by making how "he feels about a group's 
beliefs and practices" (your words) the basis of the decision-making 
process, we ought to simply accord him the right to hold to a viewpoint he 
has proclaimed publicly and clearly.

Having strong views that others disagree with is a tricky thing in an 
elected official -- and I purposely didn't weigh in on (in Vision 2020 or 
elsewhere) the zoning battle with the alt school, or the teaching of 
evolution, or other things that I might have had to decide as a trustee, 
just so that separation between duty and belief is clearer.  But Aaron 
deserves kudos for being honest and forthright about how he sees NSA, and 
until someone shows me that he has deliberately violated policy, procedure, 
or the parameters of honest public service, I will withhold judgment on how 
he does his job for the city.

keely

From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
To: "keely emerinemix" 
<kjajmix1 at msn.com>,<k5grench at hotmail.com>,<joekc at adelphia.net>
CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any 
OtherName)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:51:41 -0700

Ms. Mix, I could not agree with you more. It is very clear to me that Mr. 
Ament publicly and vehemently disagrees with NSA's beliefs and practices. 
Unfortunately, as a council person, how he feels about a groups beliefs and 
practices is not supposed to be part of the decision making process. I 
thought that a rational and unbiased look at the issues in any given matter 
was the ideal.

gc
----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <k5grench at hotmail.com>; <joekc at adelphia.net>; <jampot at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any 
OtherName)

>Your classes in logic and rhetoric seem to have skipped the part about 
>cohesiveness of argument and consistency of reason, Gabe.
>
>People align themselves with Christ Church and NSA willingly, choosing to 
>embrace various doctrines and beliefs and eagerly immersing themselves, as 
>is their right, in a particular culture that has as its only defining 
>characteristic adherence to those same beliefs and acquiescence to policies 
>springing from them.  Again, this is well within their rights; it is 
>equally within Aaron's rights to disagree publicly and vehemently with 
>those beliefs and practices.
>
>This is not, as you might presume, an argument about being "born that way." 
>  That's not relevant.  What is relevant is that no one is Black, Jewish, 
>or homosexual because of an institution or fellowship they've chosen to 
>align themselves with.  I shudder to think that you might be arguing that 
>one's status as a student at NSA is somehow an identifier of their 
>personhood in the same way sexuality, race, or religion is.  I mean, it's a 
>neat school and all, but not even the sweater vests and khakis and black 
>disputatio robes are inherent to the wearer's personhood, dapper as they 
>may be.
>
>keely
>
>
>From: "Gabriel Rench" <k5grench at hotmail.com>
>To: <joekc at adelphia.net>, "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>CC: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any 
>OtherName)
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:47 -0700
>
>Joe,
>
>What if Ament expressed the same criticisms about blacks, homosexuals,or
>jews?....Jews are jewdroids...homosexuals are homodroids...blacks are
>bladroids...  Would you want Aments biased subjectivity participate in the
>same sort of decisions?  Cheers! Gabe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of joekc at adelphia.net
>Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:29 AM
>To: g. crabtree
>Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
>Subject: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any Other 
>Name)
>
>Is every statement that you and your friends disagree with "irrational"? Is
>this an illustration of your level of tolerance, Gary?
>
>Ament voiced his criticisms on this topic prior to the election and, if my
>memory serves me well, he gained more votes than ANY other candidate in the
>process. Let's stand by the will of the people -- who voted for Ament in
>part because of his well-known views on this subject -- whether or not we
>agree with their opinions. This is how a democracy functions. Not by trying
>to silence critics by any means necessary.
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>=============
>I'm not sure what Doug you are referring to in your post but, when it come
>to irrational quotes, let's start with his proclaiming NSA as an "education
>free zone." I don't care how rabidly partisan you are on this topic, you
>simply can not say that the students at Moscow's finest downtown collage 
>are
>not learning anything. If nothing else they're learning that the fair
>minded, tolerant, liberal elite in our town, really aren't. (and to be sure
>they are learning quite a bit more then that)
>
>gc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <joekc at adelphia.net>
>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen"
><thansen at moscow.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name
>
>
>This is just plain false. There is nothing in Doug's quotations of Ament to
>support this. What is irrational about Ament's comments?
>
>This is all just another example of some folks trying to get things done
>through something other than the regular channels, a way of doing things
>that got folks like Ament worked up in the first place.
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>=============
>When you have a city council member make as many disparaging remarks about
>NSA as citizen Ament has I think that you can safely take the matter out of
>the realm of "paranoia" and move it firmly into the real, live problem
>column. Getting ones ducks in a row before the council hears the CUP appeal
>seems prudent. Ament clearly has an irrational dislike for "androids."
>
>gc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:47 AM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name
>
>
> > Greetings Visionaires -
> >
> > It seems that NSA attorney Gregory Dickison has requested public records
> > concerning virtually ANYBODY's comments to Councilperson Aaron Ament
>about
> > almost anything.
> >
> > Details concerning this public records request were aired on KRFP this
> > morning.
> >
> > For your listening pleasure:
> >
> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Dickison_RecReq.mp3
> >
> > Footnote to NSA "management":  Paranoia self-destroya
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Just Another Intolerista Liberal Elitista Diversity-Cleansing Wack > 
>Nutjob
> > Loose on the Palouse Doing What Comes Natural
> >
> >
> > *************************************************
> >
> > "When people sin, everybody has to pay."
> >
> > - Douglas Wilson of Wilson, Inc. (dba Christ Church) (June 7, 2002)
> >
> > For more details:  http://www.NotOnThePalouse.com
> >
> > *************************************************
> >
> >
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