[Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any OtherName)
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Wed Apr 26 13:51:41 PDT 2006
Ms. Mix, I could not agree with you more. It is very clear to me that Mr.
Ament publicly and vehemently disagrees with NSA's beliefs and practices.
Unfortunately, as a council person, how he feels about a groups beliefs and
practices is not supposed to be part of the decision making process. I
thought that a rational and unbiased look at the issues in any given matter
was the ideal.
gc
----- Original Message -----
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <k5grench at hotmail.com>; <joekc at adelphia.net>; <jampot at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any
OtherName)
> Your classes in logic and rhetoric seem to have skipped the part about
> cohesiveness of argument and consistency of reason, Gabe.
>
> People align themselves with Christ Church and NSA willingly, choosing to
> embrace various doctrines and beliefs and eagerly immersing themselves, as
> is their right, in a particular culture that has as its only defining
> characteristic adherence to those same beliefs and acquiescence to
> policies springing from them. Again, this is well within their rights; it
> is equally within Aaron's rights to disagree publicly and vehemently with
> those beliefs and practices.
>
> This is not, as you might presume, an argument about being "born that
> way." That's not relevant. What is relevant is that no one is Black,
> Jewish, or homosexual because of an institution or fellowship they've
> chosen to align themselves with. I shudder to think that you might be
> arguing that one's status as a student at NSA is somehow an identifier of
> their personhood in the same way sexuality, race, or religion is. I mean,
> it's a neat school and all, but not even the sweater vests and khakis and
> black disputatio robes are inherent to the wearer's personhood, dapper as
> they may be.
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "Gabriel Rench" <k5grench at hotmail.com>
> To: <joekc at adelphia.net>, "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> CC: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any
> OtherName)
> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:47 -0700
>
> Joe,
>
> What if Ament expressed the same criticisms about blacks, homosexuals,or
> jews?....Jews are jewdroids...homosexuals are homodroids...blacks are
> bladroids... Would you want Aments biased subjectivity participate in the
> same sort of decisions? Cheers! Gabe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of joekc at adelphia.net
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:29 AM
> To: g. crabtree
> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
> Subject: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any Other
> Name)
>
> Is every statement that you and your friends disagree with "irrational"?
> Is
> this an illustration of your level of tolerance, Gary?
>
> Ament voiced his criticisms on this topic prior to the election and, if my
> memory serves me well, he gained more votes than ANY other candidate in
> the
> process. Let's stand by the will of the people -- who voted for Ament in
> part because of his well-known views on this subject -- whether or not we
> agree with their opinions. This is how a democracy functions. Not by
> trying
> to silence critics by any means necessary.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> I'm not sure what Doug you are referring to in your post but, when it come
> to irrational quotes, let's start with his proclaiming NSA as an
> "education
> free zone." I don't care how rabidly partisan you are on this topic, you
> simply can not say that the students at Moscow's finest downtown collage
> are
> not learning anything. If nothing else they're learning that the fair
> minded, tolerant, liberal elite in our town, really aren't. (and to be
> sure
> they are learning quite a bit more then that)
>
> gc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen"
> <thansen at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name
>
>
> This is just plain false. There is nothing in Doug's quotations of Ament
> to
> support this. What is irrational about Ament's comments?
>
> This is all just another example of some folks trying to get things done
> through something other than the regular channels, a way of doing things
> that got folks like Ament worked up in the first place.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> When you have a city council member make as many disparaging remarks about
> NSA as citizen Ament has I think that you can safely take the matter out
> of
> the realm of "paranoia" and move it firmly into the real, live problem
> column. Getting ones ducks in a row before the council hears the CUP
> appeal
> seems prudent. Ament clearly has an irrational dislike for "androids."
>
> gc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:47 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name
>
>
> > Greetings Visionaires -
> >
> > It seems that NSA attorney Gregory Dickison has requested public records
> > concerning virtually ANYBODY's comments to Councilperson Aaron Ament
> about
> > almost anything.
> >
> > Details concerning this public records request were aired on KRFP this
> > morning.
> >
> > For your listening pleasure:
> >
> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Dickison_RecReq.mp3
> >
> > Footnote to NSA "management": Paranoia self-destroya
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Just Another Intolerista Liberal Elitista Diversity-Cleansing Wack
> > Nutjob
> > Loose on the Palouse Doing What Comes Natural
> >
> >
> > *************************************************
> >
> > "When people sin, everybody has to pay."
> >
> > - Douglas Wilson of Wilson, Inc. (dba Christ Church) (June 7, 2002)
> >
> > For more details: http://www.NotOnThePalouse.com
> >
> > *************************************************
> >
> >
> >
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