[Vision2020] Water: willing to conserve but can't afford to
Bruce and Jean Livingston
jeanlivingston at turbonet.com
Tue Apr 25 16:55:07 PDT 2006
What is the estimated payback time for water cost savings to make up the
cost of a new low flow toilet? Explain any assumptions necessary to the
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>
To: "Nils Peterson" <nils_peterson at wsu.edu>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water: willing to conserve but can't afford to
> It's not older homes that are at issue as much as some of the first models
> of low flush toilets just weren't designed well enough. I just installed
> one in our house in town (very much an older house with known roots in the
> pipes issues) and it works great. Has a half flush option at 0.8
> gallons/use. See a similar model at the Natural Abode in beautiful and
> vibrant downtown Moscow.
> At 2:58 PM -0700 4/25/06, Nils Peterson wrote:
>>Tom Ivey illustrates at least one type of person who would occupy the
>>position in my "Where do you stand" thread: willing, but unable.
>>Thanks for the lawn-related suggestions. They sound cost effective.
>>The toilet upgrade plan discussed earlier, if funded by new water users as
>>offered, might work for Ivey. He would get a new throne and the feel good
>>from saving water, with no cash outlay.
>>My wife points out that she has heard there is an issue for some older
>>whose plumbing does not work well with low flow... We are guessing that
>>things just don't move along well with less water.
>>So, the City's program would need a means to evaluate a home for being a
>>candidate to participate. Not much different than the phone company
>>investigating if you can have DSL.
>>So, what we have here is a voluntary program that saves water, at no cost
>>the would-be saver, and transfers the savings of water to a would-be new
>>water user when they get a building permit.
>>What is missing to put this into action?
>>1. Deciding to adopt and become strict about adhering to the PBAC water
>>2. Building the mechanism to swap the toilets (or other conservation
>>3. Securing funding for #2.
>>Does this list have the political will to support this idea?
>>How would you go about selling it (or defeating it)?
>>On 4/25/06 10:06 AM, "vision2020-request at moscow.com"
>><vision2020-request at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> In regards to the last issue "where do you stand": I want to conserve.
>>> it costs me more to conserve than I can afford. The cheapest rain
>>> barrel I
>>> can find is $100 plus shipping, I need at least 4 of them. I don't have
>>> money to purchase a new front load washer and would have a hard time
>>> justifying it without an old broken one. I can't afford to put in a
>>> system (I would love to have one). Sure, I got a 3% increase in pay
>>> year, but my groceries, gasoline, clothing, health care insurance, and
>>> basically all consumables have increased this year by more than 3%. I
>>> twice as much for water as my counter parts in southern Idaho. And I
>>> found out I will have to pay out $4000 on braces for a child. What do
>>> you do?
>>> Where do you start? I have low flush toilets and a water saver shower
>>> (you can get that shower head free from the city!). What else can I
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