[Vision2020] Crazy Train

Sat Apr 22 01:11:01 PDT 2006

Ed,

 Same sex marriage is already banned in Idaho. Is it not  like banning together to make sure that Idaho uses the US dollar? And  if you hate homosexuals and the spread of disease why would you stop  homosexuals from marrying? Seems like it would punish them and slow the  spread of disease at the same time.  

  I believe that the US Constitution banned all marriage when it forbid cruel and unusual punishment. : )

  And another thing. If marriage is a religious ceremony, why is the  state involved anyway? 

  Take Care,

  _DJA

Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:                As  a newcomer to the area and a recent subscriber to this group, I have  read each post, concerning the issues that face this community, with  enthusiasm and sincere interest. One issue in particular stood out  while perusing Joan’s entry. She mentioned, “we’re facing a  constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November  ballot.”

  I  thought, wow; what better a time than now for concerned citizens to  band together and push this thing through? Why not make amends and ally  with the pastor of that church (Christ’s Church) to accomplish a common  goal? I see a lot of religious talk (in this forum) as well as dialogue  regarding the future of the community. Rather than being silent on the  issue, we should spread the news. This is the ideal medium to initiate  an awareness campaign. Let’s save our community form the evils that  lurk. Same sex marriage today; tomorrow, they’ll be petitioning to  marry man’s best friend. Funny this subject should arise; I think daily  of the way the world is going, especially the United States.   

  Why oppose same sex marriage? The   reasons are endless
..

  Daily,  we see news stories that deal with acts so perverse and extreme that we  are outraged (why would those boys rape the stripper? why does a man  kidnap a young girl with the intent of eating her? Why is the world  filled with never-before-seen disease?). It seems we ignore and  tolerate the deviant behavior that leads up to these acts, so gross  until we can no longer ignore them. Nobody asks why underage men are  drinking, or why females take their clothes off for these drunken men.  Nobody questions the sexual behavior that spreads incurable diseases.  We simply witness the end effect and wonder how we have arrived at this  horrific juncture. If you don’t desire the effect, you must change the  cause or root.  

  Equally  responsible for the decadence, our nation has turned its back on  God—even kicking him out of the schools and courtrooms; we have allowed  every conceivable deviant behavior to be normalized and sanitized by  extremists in the name of free speech and equal rights. In the extreme,  you even hear of churches debating whether or not to allow homosexual  clergy and the like....What Bible are they reading?

  These  are merely some of the reasons that it is imperative that we band  together on this issue; other, more salient, ones follow. 

  Biology,  physiology, reproduction, traditional morality, ethics, mindless  denigration of the institution of marriage, God’s law (the Bible),  nature, pervasive, incurable disease, the family, homosexual supremacy  groups, loss of masculinity, female mistreatment, not to mention the  empirical social-science evidence about what happens in societies where  homosexuality is normalized (Netherlands, Canada, and Spain for  example).  If we sit idly   by, we are doomed. 

  Was the naming of “Brokeback Mountain”  strategic,  symbolic of how our Nation’s back/will has been  broke by homosexual activists? Well, neither my back nor my will has  been broken
 I will not sit silently while a vocal minority imposes  their disgusting perversions on the rest of the world. 

  Ed

  In  a similar vein....we should refrain from the use of the word "gay" when  referring to homosexuals. The innocent word that implies lively and  spirited has been hijacked by the far left resulting in some oxymoronic  pseudonym.....

      ----- Original Message ----- 
    From:     Joan Opyr     
    To: Vision2020 Moscow 
    Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:34     PM
    Subject: [Vision2020] Crazy Train

Dear Visionaries:

I am done arguing with Donovan.      Perhaps not forever, but certainly for 
now.  If list members want to     talk about water, let's talk about water. 
  We cannot, however, only     talk about water.  There's more at stake in 
the future of     Moscow.  Smart growth, dumb growth, and anti-growth; 
growth that     benefits the few, not the many.  There's also urban 
renewal,     development options, the University of Idaho, traffic along 
the Miracle     Mile, and parking in the downtown retail district.  As we 
get into     issues of cultural hegemony and differing visions of what 
constitutes a     healthy and diverse community, we're bound to get into 
sticky     territory.  We're facing a constitutional amendment banning 
same-sex     marriage on the November ballot.  I expect some important and     
potentially hot debates over that.  And when we do get around to it,     I 
warn you, Pastor You-Know-Who and his You-Know-Church will likely serve     
as both the tar baby and the briar patch.  If     He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named 
takes as active a role in this political fight     as he took in the 1994 
battle over Proposition One, then it's going to get     hot in here.  Might 
want to open a window.

That said, I think     it's important to recognize that unmoderated chat 
groups are like the     railroad tracks in a Roadrunner cartoon.  We, the 
list members, are     like Wile E. Coyote.  We're on the train, chasing the 
Roadrunner,     when we look out the window and see that we're running out 
of track.      So, we open up the Acme box and hang out on the engine, 
laying track     before the train just as fast as we can.  What happens?  
We find     ourselves halfway over a chasm; we look down, pause, and drop, 
right to     the bottom of a deep canyon, where we thump to a halt in a 
cloud of     dust.  But we always get back up again.  That's the nature of     
this list, and it's the nature of every other unmoderated list.      
Freedom of expression is not freedom from annoyance, and if it were,     
I'd be bored senseless.  This is a great community, and I'm always     
interested to hear what most of you have to say.

It's true that my     Bozo Bin is wide and deep, and that I filter out 
quite a few posters, but     I have relatives that I don't like, either.  I 
don't want to hang out     with them, but I don't think they should be 
tossed from the family.      I still meet up with them once a year at the 
family reunion, and we watch     one another eat fried chicken.  (It's 
always too greasy.  Best     to stick to the deviled eggs.)

Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.joanopyr.com

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