[Vision2020] Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms

[keely emerinemix]

Yep.  Gary's got me.  While helping my husband start a business, finishing 
up my trusteeship, studying the Bible, working with a few needy friends, 
feeding the animals, paying bills and raising two teenagers, I like to 
dabble in arbiting between ultimate Truth and eternal Folly, usually in 
commercial breaks during "Dog the Bounty Hunter."

That said, I would say that Scripture is replete with examples, for those 
who care, of confrontation and conflict between believers, and I think that 
that might explain why I say it is not "unChristian" to dispute what another 
Christian claims to be true, and to rebuke them for continuing in 
demonstrable error.  Fortunately, the Bible guides us in how to do this.  I 
may not, for example, spray paint "Doug Wilson is a ninny" on the east 
entrance wall of the UI, but having talked privately with him (May 2002), I 
am free to publicly criticize his teachings and conduct.

And Gary is free to think I'm full of it -- this is one of those ultimate 
Truths that I've determined to be not even remotely my concern.

keely

From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
To: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:15:54 -0700

My  point was, to indicate that because something is not happening therefore 
"X", is an extremely weak technique for making an argument. Little more and 
nothing less. The fact that you like hansen's query better than mine ,of 
course, comes as no surprise considering your current biases. Not being a 
member of "the churches of Moscow" puts me at a severe disadvantage when it 
come to addressing the question on their behalf. Perhaps the question would 
be better put to Ms. Mix since she seems to be the list's arbiter of what is 
"unChristian" and what is not and is willing to point out how they are 
"mistaken."

gc
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Michael
   To: vision2020 at moscow.com
   Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:55 AM
   Subject: [Vision2020] Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms


   Gary Writes:

   If Christ Church is the purveyor of evil that you say it is, why are no 
churches in Moscow rushing to join you in your crusade to make their 
existence difficult? Could it be that these same churches see you and yours 
as "something else?"



   Me:

   I'm not sure if I understand the point argued here.  This could be taken 
as an argument for the fact that CC is not a purveyor of evil to the extent 
that some on Vision 2020 claim; or else it could be taken as an argument 
that other churches do not like the way some on Vision 2020 publicly 
criticize CC.  I do not think it would be good to take it as a valid 
argument for both of these claims however.  So perhaps Gary could clarify 
his point.  There are churches or other Christians that do significantly 
agree with some of the assessment of CC found here on Vision 2020, so it 
would seem that Gary's work will be a bit tricky if he wants to pick the 
former claim.



   Also, I believe that Tom's question-what Gary is responding to here-is a 
good one; I do not believe Gary has successfully addressed that question 
here.



   Michael Metzler





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