[Vision2020] The Nicene Creed (was Atwood letter rewritten)
joanopyr at moscow.com
Tue Apr 4 15:02:58 PDT 2006
> I don't have to speculate it is personal. Just ask them. Joan, Rose,
> and her entire household & friends will just tell you flat out they
> are bigoted against conservative Christians and have a personal ax to
> grind with Wilson.
On the contrary, Donovan, you do speculate, and you speculate
incorrectly. I've never actually met Doug Wilson. Melynda has; so has
Rose. But not me. I sat next to him once in Applebee's, but I don't
think sharing dining and drinking space with someone counts as knowing
them. If it does, then I also know the Ramones -- or, rather, I knew
the Ramones. All but one of them are now deceased.
My issue is not with conservative Christianity. I don't give a damned
about Reformed Christian Theology, either. I think John Calvin was
demonstrably an ill-tempered, narrow-minded bastard, but he's been dead
for a long, long time. There's not much point in fighting with Calvin;
my arms are too short to box with ghosts. As I have said time and time
again, I don't give a tinker's cuss, a monkey's butt, or a plug nickel
what Doug Wilson believes. I care about his political agenda and his
detrimental effect on the City of Moscow -- on our secular government
and on our downtown businesses. In other words, Donovan, I'm not
interested in arguing theology with Doug -- that's his game, not mine.
I'm interested in politics. I'm interested in Doug's willingness to
shamelessly play the persecution card in order to cover up his blatant,
consistent disregard for the law. This is not about Doug Wilson qua
Doug Wilson; this is about a business masquerading as a church,
claiming tax exemptions to which it is not legally entitled, and
violating zoning law and city ordinance.
Why do you not understand this? Because you don't want to understand.
This scenario doesn't fit in with your own dreams of persecution, your
own belief that you are "an endangered species." Endangered species?
Bah! George W. Bush long ago delisted so-called moderates. You're
either with us or against us, remember? You're on your own, moderate
man, along with the Spotted Owl, the Snail Darter, and the Sawtooth
wolves. Better get used to it.
Now, let me try once again (because I'm a fool) to make one thing
perfectly clear: my wife, Melynda, is a conservative Christian. She is
also a lesbian. There is no disconnect here, as you yourself should
know full well. As Keely has explained, the term "conservative
Christian" refers to theology, not politics. Melynda holds to the
Nicene Creed. Rather than give it to you in Latin or Greek or even the
version from the Book of Common Prayer, here's a contemporary
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven,
by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary and
became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father (and the Son)
Who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
Who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to
Melynda would, of course, use gender-neutral pronouns, and by Catholic,
she means one communion within Jesus Christ. (If you understand and
actually make an effort to process the preceding, then I will buy you a
Shirley Temple complete with an umbrella and a swizzle stick. I'll
leave a gift certificate for same at The Garden Lounge -- that is, if
the bar survives the NSA parking situation.)
One more thing for you to ponder -- it is not I, nor Melynda, nor Rose
who engage in imprecatory prayer. That sin belongs solely to Doug
Wilson and his followers. They pray regularly for our deaths, for us
to be struck down by God, to have our bones broken and our teeth
smashed out, and all for defying them publicly and, dare I suggest,
successfully. Imprecatory prayer is a wicked, nasty, vile thing,
Donovan, and you spend far too much of your good Christian time
defending its unsavory practitioners. Chew on that for awhile.
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
PS: Now if by conservative Christian what you mean is simply "Donovan
J. Arnold," then you're right; I have no conservative Christian
friends. I don't like you any more than you like me, and I expect
we'll go on in this hostile fashion until the day we expire. I can
live with that (and happily, too). But my definition of conservative
Christian is considerably more expansive than yours (see the Nicene
Creed again, for reference), and thus I count my conservative Christian
friends by the score. I'm lucky to have them; their friendship binds
and sustains me, and I am grateful to them for their wit, their wisdom,
and their faith. They are fine people who deserve far better than the
narrow representation given by you, Doug Wilson, and other shameless
self-aggrandizers. Jesus Wept.
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