[Vision2020] Republicans to Idaho's Poor: Leave or Drop Dead

[Sunil Ramalingam]

I went to 9th and 10th grade at a boarding school in Bangalore, India, and a 
lot of my classmates went to different IIT campuses.  And I would bet that 
most students there, like the students at MIT and Caltech, came from 
middle-class and upper middle-class backgrounds, not from poverty.

I'm not saying we can't do a better job making educational opportunities 
available here; I'm just not about to say that in India class background 
hasn't stopped making a difference.  People who grow up in poverty in India 
have not seen a transformation in their opportunities across the board.

Sunil


>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>, Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>,  
>       vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Republicans to Idaho's Poor: Leave or Drop Dead
>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:56:05 -0800 (PST)
>
>India is getting a lot of high technological jobs because they earned  
>it-pure and simple. The Indian government has created 8 high tech  colleges 
>called IITs or Indian Institute of Technology. Each of these  colleges are 
>harder to enter than Yale, Harvard, Cornell and Georgia  Tech. When these 
>students get out of college they are offered jobs  entering at $60,000+ a 
>year plus medical and housing for their family  to come and live in the 
>United States.
>
>  The tuition at  these IITs are virtually free because the Indian 
>government pays for  most of it. This means that entrance requirement is 
>based on ability  and skill, not how much cash you have in your pocket, 
>like US colleges  and universities.
>
>   What the United States should do is copy the Indian government and start 
>giving US students in poverty the same chance.
>
>   The University of Idaho has lost 1/2 of its Indian graduate students in  
>the last couple of years due to the Indian government building  technical 
>colleges that teach skills that pay well in the global  market. The US 
>needs to wise up and catch up, or face losing the best  paying jobs in the 
>21st century.
>
>   _DJA
>
>
>"g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:  Scott, I am quite familiar with 
>the boom that India has been experiencing in
>the high tech fields. Their universities turn out top notch product and 
>your
>absolutely right about the wages. This makes me all the more curious as to
>how Hansen's vision of Idaho's poor working in high tech/high wage/career
>path positions is to come about. I'm guessing that those econ. classes he
>took really dragged his GPA down.
>
>Gary
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Dredge"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Republicans to Idaho's Poor: Leave or Drop Dead
>
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > You've made some excellent points on this thread and I
> > do enjoy reading most of your V2020 posts.
> >
> > I don't know if you have been following the latest
> > technology trends, but corporate america is
> > outsourcing thousands of tech jobs to India and China.
> > Bangalore India is going through explosive growth
> > right now with tech Giants like Intel and Cisco and a
> > whole slew of other companies setting up technology
> > development centers.  One engineer in India can be
> > hired for a quarter of the salary of one engineer in
> > the United States.  I don't know the going rate for
> > the salary of engineer in China these days, but my
> > guess is that it is about one tenth of the cost of a
> > US engineer.  This type of outsourcing represents
> > tremendous cost cutting and Wall Street will take
> > notice and reward the officers of these companies very
> > generously.
> >
> > Note I'm not a big believer in raising minimum wage to
> > the level of a living wage, but I'm also not in favor
> > of eliminating it either.
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > --- "g. crabtree"  wrote:
> >
> >> Clever, but fallacious. By this logic "corporate
> >> America" would be paying
> >> engineers, programmers, accountants, etc. minimum
> >> wage since that's all they
> >> are required to pay. Why have an entry level
> >> engineer at $45.00 when you can
> >> have 8.738 for $5.15?
> >>
> >> gc
> >
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