[Vision2020] Not a city resident

[Donovan Arnold]

"Do you think that all parents or grandparents who
live outside the city limits, yet reside in the Moscow
School District with children or grandchildren
attending MSD, who have complaints about Moscow City
affairs, should not be activists for change involving
Moscow City issues, but should 'move to a city you
like and stop harassing Moscow Residents?'"

Long question, Ted. 

Partly yes. I think that if you have a problem with a
city you do not live in you should not worry about it,
you do not live there. If the faucet is leaking in the
apartment two doors down, do I call the landlord to
complain? If you move into a city or currently reside
there then you should worry about it, if not, mind
your own damn business.

In the incidences you bring up, where the school may
be in a city you live in it is irrelevant that they be
able to determine city policy, so long as they can
determine school district policy, for a few of
reasons.

1) If a person lives with their child in Viola for
example, they are taking the bus, not walking to
school. So sidewalks, crosswalks, traffic lights, etc
that in control of the city, would not be relevant.

2) In the rare incident a parent lives walking
distance to a school, but outside the city, the school
district can provide crossing guards, security guards,
and if need be, a bus.

3)Prevention of harassment of a child, or bullying,
regardless of the reason is also within the confines
of the school.

I will agree, my wording, as is usual when I write, is
not the greatest. My point was not that if you do not
like a city, or town, just leave it, Ted. My point was
that Rose does not live in Moscow. It would be just
down right rude for me to go to the city of Troy,
being a Moscow Resident, and yell at the city council
members, or bitch about their policies in public if I
do not live there, especially without disclosing my
residence outside the city first.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go voice a
complaint at the Mayor of Kendrick because I dislike
the time they mow the park lawn and it is just not
right that the people of Kendrick get to decide what
time they want the lawn mowed in their own city, they
need me to determine the issue for them. 

Donovan J Arnold



--- Tbertruss at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Donovan et. al.
> 
> "But she does not live IN Moscow, so those local
> decisions are not up to her. If she moves into the
> city, she obtains to right to vote in Moscow
> elections"
> 
> So if a parent or grandparent with a child in the
> Moscow School District, by 
> virtue of the parent or grandparent living inside
> the Moscow School District, 
> has a problem with, for example, crosswalks
> endangering their child due to 
> speeding drivers and lack of traffic law
> enforcement, issues that are Moscow City 
> issues in part decided by city traffic law, those
> local decisions are, 
> according to you, "not up to her." 
> 
> However, this is not what you originally stated
> regarding activists for 
> change who live outside Moscow City limits who
> happen to have children or 
> grandchildren in MSD by virtue of the their address,
> a description that includes Rose.
> 
> I am not arguing, as you seem to think perhaps I
> should, that those outside 
> the city limits be allowed to vote.  This was your
> suggestion, quoted toward 
> the bottom here, as to how they should proceed with
> influencing Moscow City 
> affairs.  
> 
> I stated that there is no law against, nor do I
> think it reasonable, to 
> attempt to stop someone who lives inside MSD yet
> outside city limits, with children 
> or grandchildren in MSD, from speaking out and/or
> being an activist for 
> change inside Moscow City limits, for example,
> regarding Moscow City traffic law 
> regarding location of crosswalks and speed limits. 
> Or regarding the human 
> rights "climate" regarding harassment of children
> who may have Gay parents!
> 
> Donovan wrote on 9/24/05:
> 
> If you do not like our city council, rules or
> enforcement, city officials, elected officials
> representing Moscow Residents, Moscow schools, the
> religion of our residents, and many of the residents
> themselves, why don't you move to a city you like
> and
> stop harassing Moscow Residents? 
> 
> Your comment above is not focused solely on the
> issue of voting in city 
> elections for those outside the city limits.  Voting
> is only one method of 
> attempting to change a community for the better, and
> though a parent with a child or 
> grandchild in MSD who lives outside the city limits,
> yet still within MSD, 
> cannot vote in city only elections, there are
> numerous other legal methods of 
> attempting to influence city affairs.  Your comment
> above is a broad statement 
> advising someone (Rose) who may have a wide range of
> concerns with Moscow City 
> issues, who has a child in the Moscow School
> District (as Rose had, with 
> grandchildren now in MSD) by virtue of living inside
> MSD, to move somewhere else "if 
> you do not like our city..."
> 
> And so far in your responses you have not indicated
> there is any problem 
> whatsoever with your statement.
> 
> So I thought you might want to clarify what you
> really think on this issue?  
> 
> Do you think that all parents or grandparents who
> live outside the city 
> limits, yet reside in the Moscow School District
> with children or grandchildren 
> attending MSD, who have complaints about Moscow City
> affairs, should not be 
> activists for change involving Moscow City issues,
> but should "move to a city you 
> like and stop harassing Moscow Residents?"
> 
> Actually, you gave them one other alternative,
> expressed below:
> 
> "Or propose a law allowing anyone that works in or
> visits Moscow to vote in 
> city elections even if they do not live here."
> 
> So these are the alternatives you offer?  Move
> somewhere else, or propose the 
> law suggested above?
> 
> Ted Moffett
> 


		
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