[Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

Thu Sep 8 16:47:09 PDT 2005

Again, you may be on to something there, Ms Kraut –

Imagine the billions of dollars that tax payers will save by not
reconstructing New Orleans.  This is very true.  By not re-building New
Orleans, our national deficit will not suffer an exorbitant growth.  So far,
your idea has loads of merit.

We will simply have the mid-America farmers ship their crops to the Lewiston
port for shipment overseas.  For imported commerce there is always
Clarkston, right?

The Columbia River might experience a slight increase in traffic.  But, what
the Hell . . . it’s not like we use it for anything else, right?

Thoughts?

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:45 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

No wonder I feel sometimes that I am missing part of the conversation! I
just checked my postini account at FSR and there were some emails there of
which this is one.

Lewiston and Clarkston do not get hurricanes. The ocean is a few miles away.
The entire area is not deteriorating the levees are not in danger of
breaking. Not the same thing.

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From: Sunil <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>  Ramalingam 

To: vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

Should we get rid of the levees in Lewiston and Clarkston?

Sunil

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From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:12:53 -0700

I do not want us to repair any more levees. Something is terribly wrong when
you can stand on a street and see ships go by above you! This is an
opportunity for the area to move back and let the ocean have its land back.
Just how much money do you think it would take to 'study' it one more time.
Just how much do we spend to 'save' New Orleans?? It really isn't that
'special' a city! It is time to go a totally different direction.

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From: Tom Hansen <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>  

To: 'Andreas Schou' <mailto:ophite at gmail.com>  ; 'Pat Kraut'
<mailto:pkraut at moscow.com>  

Cc: 'vision2020' <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  

Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 6:12 AM

Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

I am with you 100%, Andreas.

Under our current president, FEMA was relegated to being a sub-agency within
Homeland Security, thus drastically reducing its budget.

And who does Bush appoint as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for
Emergency Preparedness and Response (FEMA)?

Michael D. Brown, a former Colorado and Oklahoma attorney and former bar
examiner on ethics and professional responsibility for the Oklahoma Supreme
Court, a person with virtually no experience in emergency management.  An
attorney in charge of our nation’s emergency management?  He may not be able
to solve anything, but he will most certainly be able to put some serious
spin on his responses to questions.

Ms Kraut stated:

“Why does everyone want to make the Fed responsible for everything?? When
did they take over?”

HUH??  What part of “Federal Emergency Management” are you struggling with,
Ms Kraut?

FEMA is struggling to identify additional large temporary holding facilities
(comparable to the Houston Astrodome).  This is a simple question that
should have been addressed a couple years ago when the mayor of New Orleans
and the governor of Louisiana were seeking federal funds to repair the 17th
Street levee.

But then, we wouldn’t want to interrupt George Bush’s vacation with
something so trivial now, would we?

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Andreas Schou
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:02 PM
To: Pat Kraut
Cc: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

On 9/3/05, Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote: 

I disagree! Someone in Louisiana should have told her! Why does everyone
want to make the Fed responsible for everything?? When did they take over? 
The locals could have done whole rescue operation if they had paid
attention. There is a picture circulating showing the school buses all under
water. The mayor could have confiscated them and sent those people out of 
town by force. But, he keeps yelling about the feds not coming in time! He
is just hoping no one asks him too many questions.\

Pat --

It is the federal government's responsibility, like it or not, to do
disaster relief. You can argue about whether or not it should be their
responsibility later, but the fact is, at the time of Hurricane Katrina, it
was FEMA's responsibility to handle the evacuation planning and then pick up
the pieces. 

George W. had put a chronic fuck-up in charge of FEMA who was fired from his
last job for malfeasance, dismantled their planning office as it
transitioned to the Department of Homeland Security, sent the Louisiana
National Guard to search for phantom WMDs in Iraq, cut all disaster
mitigation funding to the /entire state/ of Louisiana, and defunded the
levees. It is at his desk that the buck stops, but he and his stand-ins are
doing their best to blame everybody else: the victims, the first responders,
the police, the looters. Thisis a failure of management at the highest
levels: food was dropped in Banda Aceh, Indonesia, within /two days/ of the
tsunami. Food got to New Orleans, LA, /today/, or six days after the
hurricane. We are a first-world nation. This should not be happening here. 

If I had done this in my work, I would have had my ass canned, and then I
would have been sued, and for God's sake, they would have been right to do
it, too. This administration has abdicated any pretense of taking
responsibility for its 

-- ACS

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