[Vision2020] West Park Elementary ,
Russell and the alternative school
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 29 23:26:13 PDT 2005
Sunil,
“As a parent with a child there, yep, I hang out with
kids from West Park. Moscow kids, not that I have
anything against Viola kids.”- Sunil Ramalingam
Yet you are unaware that many of the children are from
Viola?
“Now, did the principal tell you what proportion of
the West Park population was from Viola?”-- S.R.
Yes, but I do not recall the exact number, it was
during the bond election.
“You wrote that most of the kids were from Viola. Is
that from the principal?”—S.R.
No, I did not say that, I said most the kids are from
Viola and elsewhere, not the immediate area.
“You never said the Taliban were partially
responsible for the September 11 attacks, Donovan;
that's your pathetic back-track position, as you wipe
the egg off your face. You held them SOLELY
responsible for the attacks, you said they committed
them. You didn't mention Al Quaida.”— S.R.
Your emotions make your thinking irrational. I never
said “SOLEY”, Sunil. That is your false
conceptualization and concoction of what I wrote, not
what I actually wrote, check your own links to what I
wrote. You are right Sunil, however, that I never said
that the Taliban were “partially” responsible for the
attacks on September 11. I said that they were
responsible for the attacks. The “partially” was
implied. And they were responsible for the attacks,
along with many others, Osama Bin Laudin, the Afghan
government, the royal government of Saudi Arabia,
individuals that should have prevented it, and
numerous others, sorry I did not list every person and
group, I’ll be sure to be really detailed next time so
you do not get confused.
“Go ahead, show me. You can't, because you're wrong,
and you're not adult enough to admit it.” S.R.
I have apologized for many statements on here before
Sunil. Can you say that? Or are you always right?
And if I was wrong, I would admit to it. However, in
this case, I am not incorrect, you CLEARLY said that
the Taliban was NOT responsible for the attacks on the
September 11, your exact words were:
“Donovan, I don't think even the Bush Administration
claims as you do that the Taliban were responsible for
9/11.”--S.R.
If you do not believe me, just look yourself at the
V2020 archive:
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20051012/bb657863/attachment.htm
Let us also get one fact straight. It was you that
both times directly addressed me, in a condescending,
rude, and provocative manner. So I responded to you,
right or wrong, in the same tone. You wrote to me
first on two different occasions:
First, you stated that the Taliban were not
responsible for the September attacks. And a second
time to tell me that Viola children do not go to West
Park. You are wrong on both accounts. And so no, no
matter how immature, condescending, and filled with
profanities and irate emotions your emails become, I
will not apologize for your being wrong.
“I'm pretty sure not one Afghani actually participated
in the attacks.”— Sunil Ramalingam
The Taliban are innocent of September 11th attacks? OK
Sunil, you go ahead and believe that! We clearly will
just have to face the fact that we disagree on those
two issues. West Park has children from Viola, and the
Taliban participated in the September 11th attacks,
and undoubtedly many of the Taliban were Afghanis. In
fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and say that
Afghanis are right at this every moment participating
in the September 11th attack plot by harboring Osama
Bin Laudin in Afghanistan, and the US soldiers dying
there are being shot at by Afghanis too.
Thanks,
Donovan J Arnold
--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wrote:
---------------------------------
Donovan,
You don't know about my hanging around with children
because you don't know the first friggin' thing about
me. As a parent with a child there, yep, I hang out
with kids from West Park. Moscow kids, not that I
have anything against Viola kids.
Now, did the principal tell you what proportion of the
West Park population was from Viola? You wrote that
most of the kids were from Viola. Is that from the
principal?
Now, since we've been blessed with more frothy
examples of your digital diarrhea on this listserve, I
assume you've had time to look at my post and yours.
I'm waiting for you to show me where I made any of the
statements you've absurdly attributed to me.
Go ahead, show me. You can't, because you're wrong,
and you're not adult enough to admit it. You make
asinine statements about other people because you
start typing without thinking, and then you don't have
the spine to either retract them or admit you're
wrong.
You never said the Taliban were partially responsible
for the September 11 attacks, Donovan; that's your
pathetic back-track position, as you wipe the egg off
your face. You held them SOLELY responsible for the
attacks, you said they committed them. You didn't
mention Al Quaida. That's why I bothered to respond,
because I'm pretty sure not one Afghani actually
participated in the attacks.
And I didn't compare them to Christ Church either.
Show me where I said that. I provided you with my
post and yours, so you could have another look.
You've had time to read them both. Put up or shut up.
Sunil
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From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>,
kjajmix1 at msn.com, heirdoug at netscape.net,
deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] West Park Elementary
,Russell and the alternative school
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
>Sunil,
>
>You wrote:
>
>"All of the children I know at that school (West
Park)
>are from Moscow, from the north end of town or the
Ft.
>Russell area, or close to downtown, or from family
>housing on campus. None of them are from Viola."
>
>I was not aware that you hung out with elementary
>students at West Park. However, it was my
>understanding from the principle of West Park
>elementary that all the children from Viola are bused
>in to attend West Park. I trust his experiences and
>knowledge of the school over yours.
>
>When I was a Senator, Family Housing was one of my
>living groups for two years. One of their chief
>concerns was the safety issue of small children, K-3,
>walking around campus and crossing streets with
>inexperienced college kids at the wheel. In fact, one
>of their housing association president's fought an
>effort to get the kids bused the short distant from
>Family Housing to West Park.
>
>Regardless, West Park is too noisy and small to meet
>the current demands on the school. That property
could
>bring in a great deal of money that could be used to
>build a better school.
>
>You continue:
>"I don't know if any of them share what Donovan
>incorrectly ascribes to be my views about the
>Taliban."
>
>You are probably correct, I do not think that any
>third graders at West Park would share your view of
>the Taliban not being at least partially responsible
>for aiding in the September 11th attacks on the US.
>
>Take Care,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>All of the children I know at that school are from
>Moscow, from the north end of town or the Ft. Russell
>area, or close to downtown, or from family housing on
>campus. None of them are from Viola.
>
>
>
>
>I don't know if any of them share what Donovan
>incorrectly ascribes to be my views about the
Taliban.
> Maybe he can clear that up.
>
>By the way, Doug, do you live in Pullman? I'm not
>asking because I plan to stalk you, or anything like
>that.
>
>Sunil
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>,
>heirdoug at netscape.net, deco at moscow.com,
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] West Park Elementary ,Russell
>and the alternative school
>Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:17:42 -0700 (PDT)
> >Keely,
> >
> >Has anyone considered shutting down West Park,
>selling
> >or leasing the building, then using the revenue to
> >build a larger elementary elsewhere?
> >
> >West Park is sitting on very valuable land. Few of
>the
> >children at that school as I understand, even live
in
> >the immediate area, which is mostly young college
> >students. It is my understanding that most of them
>are
> >from Viola and elsewhere.
> >
> >Further, that tiny bit of land prevents expansion
and
> >requires the school district to lease nearby land
for
> >parking from the city and classroom space at UI for
> >the Kindergartners .
> >
> >I also believe that the land used to house buses
>seems
> >like prime real estate. Is it not possible to sell
> >that valuable land and purchase cheaper land
> >elsewhere. Why should buses be on expensive real
> >estate?
> >
> >These are just a few thoughts I had and was hoping
>you
> >could explain.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Looks like Doug took his belligerence pills this
> > > morning . . .
> > >
> > > Focusing on "the student populations of Russell
>and
> > > West Park . . . " means
> > > that the best thing for them MAY be remodeling
the
> > > two school buildings, or
> > > building something new, or expanding one site.
>It's
> > > about schoolchildren,
> > > not just school buildings. That seems pretty
clear
> > > to me.
> > >
> > > No, 4 million and 4.6 million don't add up to
$15
> > > milllion. Never said they
> > > did. The 4 and 4.6 million in the spring was
for
> > > K-5; the defeat of the
> > > bond means we will continue with K-6, and that
>extra
> > > grade requires more
> > > class space. Russell is crowded. West Park is
> > > crowded. Costs have
> > > increased. The amount toward resolving the WP
and
>R
> > > problems will be less
> > > than $15 million, and the difference, if any,
>would
> > > be used to make other
> > > major repairs/improvements to district
buildings.
> > >
> > > I do not believe MSD is "bloated" and there's no
>way
> > > in hell (where such an
> > > idea would have to originate) that we could do
>away
> > > with 50-75 teachers.
> > > But your ignorance of public schools is rivaled
by
> > > your hatred of them, and
> > > so I doubt you will agree, understand, or even
> > > listen.
> > >
> > > As for "multiculturalism" and why I would prefer
> > > that you not address me in
> > > German -- words fail me, in any language. While
>I'm
> > > sure you're gloating
> > > and guffawing, I can't imagine that anyone else
>has
> > > the slightest idea of
> > > what you mean.
> > >
> > > Please consider this is my last attempt to
engage
> > > with you, unless you ask
> > > me questions that spring from a desire to learn
>and
> > > not a chance to do a
> > > smackdown on me or MSD. I've tried to be
gracious
> > > to you, but I am not
> > > interested in causing you to stumble in your
faith
> > > by being an easy target.
> > >
> > > Let me know when you want to discuss things
> > > maturely, with respect and an
> > > open mind.
> > >
> > > keely
> > >
> > > From: heirdoug at netscape.net
> > > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, deco at moscow.com,
> > > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News article
> > > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:16:46 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Keely Mix
> > > "... making the school populations of Russell
>and
> > > West Park the focus of a
> > > bond levy (as opposed to a plant facilities or
> > > supplemental or other levy)"
> > >
> > > Keely, WHAT does this mean? I know it's "about
the
> > > Kids", all of your
> > > advertising and yard signs say that, but what
does
> > > it mean? "... a bond
> > > might best meet the needs of the students at WP
>and
> > > R." You didn't answer my
> > > first question, how does 4.6 million and 4.0
>million
> > > add up to 15 million?
> > >
> > > "... the root of his objections is his
conviction
> > > that "government schools"
> > > are inherently evil and unworthy of his support"
I
> > > have never stated
> > > anywhere to anyone that government schools are
>evil.
> > > You can have your
> > > schools just manage the monies you confiscate
from
> > > the public better. You
> > > don't need 12 students in each class at least
get
> > > back to the goal of 20
> > > -25. (2230/175=12.75, 2230/22.5=100) do away
with
> > > 50-75 teachers and live
> > > within your means you will have 3-5 million to
>start
> > > one heck of a building
> > > savings account. Do away with high priced
> > > adminstrators and you make 1
> > > million more. MSD is BLOATED from the top down.
> > >
> > > "One other thing: I'll rejoice on the day
Heirdoug
> > > gets his enthusiasm and
> > > information from someone other than Courtney's
> > > blog," Who's to know that
> > > maybe I gave Dale all of his ideas?!
> > >
> > > "... And, Doug -- I don't speak German, I speak
> > > Spanish. We both speak
> > > English and that would seem to be a good
language
> > > for us to communicate in .
> > > . "
> > > "This is amerika and we speak amerikan" Keely,
>what
> > > happened to
> > > "Multiculturalism"?
> > >
> > > Keep on posting, you may start to make sense!
> > > lemeno, Doug!
> > >
> > >
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