[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 26 14:21:37 PDT 2005
Keely,
Now that we know the paper made an error, and that the
police are not a bunch of idiots after all, I hope you
will apologize like a good Christian that you claim to
be, to me and them for implying such with so much
nastiness as you did.--But I will not hold my breath
since you only seem to be a Christian when it suits
your own interests.
Take Care,
Donovan J Arnold
PS, Yes, I have taken several journalism classes and
even had an article published, I am currently working
on a minor in communications with my Masters. You can
also make fun of my experiences as a Senator in the
ASUI and as Chief of Staff of the Graduate and
Professional Student Association. However, I learned a
great deal and I encourage any student to get involved
in their representative government on any level to
help people, be involved, learn, and contribute
something positive back to their community. I hope you
learn to be more respectful of those that serve in
uniform and others that serve their community.
------------------------------------------Keely Mix
Wrote:
Ignoring that little voice in my head that says "don't
even start," I
nonetheless will say this, Donovan:
While I agree that newspapers sometimes get it wrong
-- and yes, I've
been
misquoted, too -- I have a hard time imagining that
after reading a
story
like that, normal people would say, "By golly, I bet
that poor cop was
misquoted! Yes, that must be it -- it's the ONLY
LIKELY POSSIBILITY!"
It's
even harder for me to imagine the following exchange:
Reader to LMT: Hi, I just read an article that made
the cops quoted
sound
like real idiots. Now, tell me, Mr. Editor -- did
they really say
that, or
were you just kidding?
Editor: No, it's no joke at all. We're a newspaper,
not MAD magazine.
Reader: So, was the officer's speech so florid or so
convoluted that
your
reporter was unable to grasp the simple information
stated therein?
Did you
guys screw up? Because I know you do that.
Editor: Damn. You caught us. Here are the
reporter's notes, and it's
clear that he really said 70 percent of cases brought
to trial didn't
result
in a conviction. Or something like that, I dunno.
Yep, we really blew
it
but were hoping no one found out. Thanks for making
us aware of it,
sir.
Reader (flush with triumph): See, Keely, Debi and
Andreas really ARE
stupid
after all!
Now, Donovan, it no doubt makes you feel better to
think that, but that
may
explain why your abundant experience and unparalleled
service in UI
Student
Government didn't include a stint in print journalism.
And yet the
Fourth
Estate survives . . . somehow.
keely
--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> Ignoring that little voice in my head that says
> "don't even start," I
> nonetheless will say this, Donovan:
>
> While I agree that newspapers sometimes get it wrong
> -- and yes, I've been
> misquoted, too -- I have a hard time imagining that
> after reading a story
> like that, normal people would say, "By golly, I bet
> that poor cop was
> misquoted! Yes, that must be it -- it's the ONLY
> LIKELY POSSIBILITY!" It's
> even harder for me to imagine the following
> exchange:
>
> Reader to LMT: Hi, I just read an article that made
> the cops quoted sound
> like real idiots. Now, tell me, Mr. Editor -- did
> they really say that, or
> were you just kidding?
>
> Editor: No, it's no joke at all. We're a
> newspaper, not MAD magazine.
>
> Reader: So, was the officer's speech so florid or
> so convoluted that your
> reporter was unable to grasp the simple information
> stated therein? Did you
> guys screw up? Because I know you do that.
>
> Editor: Damn. You caught us. Here are the
> reporter's notes, and it's
> clear that he really said 70 percent of cases
> brought to trial didn't result
> in a conviction. Or something like that, I dunno.
> Yep, we really blew it
> but were hoping no one found out. Thanks for making
> us aware of it, sir.
>
> Reader (flush with triumph): See, Keely, Debi and
> Andreas really ARE stupid
> after all!
>
> Now, Donovan, it no doubt makes you feel better to
> think that, but that may
> explain why your abundant experience and
> unparalleled service in UI Student
> Government didn't include a stint in print
> journalism. And yet the Fourth
> Estate survives . . . somehow.
>
> keely
>
>
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>,
> debismith at moscow.com,
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on
> Rape --
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:32:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Many of you seem to be jumping to conclusions here.
> How do we know for fact that any police office said
> that 70% of rapes reported are false? Because you
> read
> it in the paper? Give me a break!
>
> The Police were probably misquoted, or the words did
> not come out correctly, or the reporter misquoted or
> paraphrased incorrectly.
>
> 95% of the time that I read something outrageous
> from
> a local authority quoted in the paper, it usually
> turns out that the people did not say what they
> paper
> said they said, or were taken completely out of
> context.
>
> Perhaps the police officer said, 70% of rapes do not
> lead in a conviction, so that meant "false", either
> to
> the officer, or the reporter.
>
> I hardly doubt that any trained, experienced police
> officer, that is required to attend a sexual
> harassment and abuse conference or class every year
> would say, or intend to imply that 7 out of 10 women
> that report rape are liars, even if they believed
> that
> to be the case.
>
> Just because something is reported in the media, or
> printed in black and white, does not make it true,
> look at FOX news. Did any of you call and confirm
> this
> information as being accurate?
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
> --- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
> > While the 8% national average for false reports
> > maybe low, 70% is obviously a way too high. The
> > tragedy of articles like this is that there will
> be
> > more rapes going unreported.
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: debismith at moscow.com
> > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:40:36 -0700
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on
> Rape
> > --
> >
> > > Having just completed the YWCA Week Without
> > Violence and the Clothesline Project at
> > > WSU, I read the article and cried. The
> Clothesline
> > Project consists of over 600 t-shirts painted
> > > over 14 years. Each shirt is painted by a
> survivor
> > or supporter of someone who was assaulted,
> > > most speaking of sexual assault. We know many
> of
> > these women, we know they didn't report
> > > the assault, and we know why they choose to not
> be
> > re-victimized by the type of troglodites
> > > exhibited by that newspaper story.
> > >
> > > To suggest that 70% of reported rapes are false
> is
> > completely insane. Why would anyone
> > > report a sexual assault if the police already
> plan
> > to discount it? It must be true that going to
> > > Lewiston means you move 30 miles down the hill
> and
> > 30 years into the past...
> > >
> > > These officers desperately need remedial
> training.
> > I would suggest they be required to come
> > > hang the Clothesline Project, and read the
> stories
> > of the people they call liars. And they should
> > > be put on non-paid leave until they do.....next
> > year, third week in October.
> > >
> > > Debi Robinson-Smith, YWCA of WSU
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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